Steele
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Post by Steele on Oct 6, 2020 9:30:09 GMT -5
Like DT said, h2f specifically pointed out that most of the roles and abilities would not be used, and that noticeable changes would be made.
So intentionally disregarding the mod’s explicit disclaimer and trying to make any sort of argument about how this game should work based off of how the other game worked will only end up with us remembering how OUR last game worked, where you did the exact same thing and flipped scum.
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Post by Steele on Oct 6, 2020 9:45:19 GMT -5
Now to address the ACTUAL claim by Kuroi, I guess Lando as a miller makes *some* sense in one way, but also it doesn’t.
A miller (for those who don’t know) would investigate as scum to a cop, when they are actually town.
Lando was ostensibly a good guy, but he sold out to the Empire (he did turn good again though). If anything, if the Lando role is based off of Empire Strikes Back Lando (as Kuroi’s claim of Miller seems to hint) then he should investigate as *good* but actually be *bad.* AKA, a Godfather.
Obviously if Kuroi was a godfather then claiming Miller would be stupid as a cop check would show him up as town... but he could still be a different scum role.
Now we’re at a crossroads. If he’s lying then he’s got himself the perfect excuse for any red check that ends up on him. If he’s telling the truth, we’ll truth be told as good a player as Kuroi is, he has a useless ability.
You don’t have to follow me but I’m going to put my vote on Kuroi. We’re very unlikely to randomly lynch scum today and I’d rather take out a miller than accidentally knock out a cop or a doctor through random votes.
Vote: Kuroi
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Oct 6, 2020 9:46:45 GMT -5
Like DT said, h2f specifically pointed out that most of the roles and abilities would not be used, and that noticeable changes would be made. So intentionally disregarding the mod’s explicit disclaimer and trying to make any sort of argument about how this game should work based off of how the other game worked will only end up with us remembering how OUR last game worked, where you did the exact same thing and flipped scum. Here's the convo in 24 hours or whatever amount of time we have left: "Guys we should really execute someone" "IDK we don't have any info" "It is mechanically better to execute someone every time" "Uh uh uh" Three votes come down on a wagon"Not enough to kill, send in night actions" Just campaigning that we actually establish evidence/facts/reason/results this game instead of pissin' away D1 like usual Even yeeting me is fine if it helps the game progress
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Post by mosler on Oct 6, 2020 9:52:22 GMT -5
It is the beating of his hideous heart!
Translation: Lando was totes a Miller in Empire Strikes Back. Does this continue into the Disney films, or is he firmly Rebel alliance in his later appearances?
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Oct 6, 2020 10:07:33 GMT -5
this shit made my morning Winning another game? YOU BET YOUR ASS WE ARE. WOOO!
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Oct 6, 2020 10:13:18 GMT -5
Now to address the ACTUAL claim by Kuroi, I guess Lando as a miller makes *some* sense in one way, but also it doesn’t. A miller (for those who don’t know) would investigate as scum to a cop, when they are actually town. Lando was ostensibly a good guy, but he sold out to the Empire (he did turn good again though). If anything, if the Lando role is based off of Empire Strikes Back Lando (as Kuroi’s claim of Miller seems to hint) then he should investigate as *good* but actually be *bad.* AKA, a Godfather. Obviously if Kuroi was a godfather then claiming Miller would be stupid as a cop check would show him up as town... but he could still be a different scum role. Now we’re at a crossroads. If he’s lying then he’s got himself the perfect excuse for any red check that ends up on him. If he’s telling the truth, we’ll truth be told as good a player as Kuroi is, he has a useless ability. You don’t have to follow me but I’m going to put my vote on Kuroi. We’re very unlikely to randomly lynch scum today and I’d rather take out a miller than accidentally knock out a cop or a doctor through random votes. Vote: KuroiBut seriously, no one's saying I'm cleared. In fact, I'm hanging a perpetual question mark with me from effectively my first post. But from my point of view, the jedis are evilit would be scummy as all hell to claim this AFTER I've already been investigated.
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Steele
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Post by Steele on Oct 6, 2020 10:15:15 GMT -5
It is the beating of his hideous heart! Translation: Lando was totes a Miller in Empire Strikes Back. Does this continue into the Disney films, or is he firmly Rebel alliance in his later appearances? I disagree. Even though he wasn’t an Empire loyalist or anything like that, he was working for them. He was on the bad side but disguised as a good guy. That’s a Godfather if you want a Mafia analogy. A miller is the exact opposite. I can’t think of an appropriate Star Wars analogy. Luke and Han dressed as Stormtroopers? They’re good guys who look like bad guys. I’m not saying Lando as a miller is impossible, Kuroi could very well be telling the truth and he’s townie Lando who will look like scum upon inspection. But if we’re gonna spend a day throwing round votes based on “DT has the same initials as Darth Tyrannis! He must be scum” and “Kira is Kira! He MUST be scum!” then like I said I’d rather put a vote in against a player who at worst is scum and at best apparently has no useful power.
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Post by Steele on Oct 6, 2020 10:20:14 GMT -5
Now to address the ACTUAL claim by Kuroi, I guess Lando as a miller makes *some* sense in one way, but also it doesn’t. A miller (for those who don’t know) would investigate as scum to a cop, when they are actually town. Lando was ostensibly a good guy, but he sold out to the Empire (he did turn good again though). If anything, if the Lando role is based off of Empire Strikes Back Lando (as Kuroi’s claim of Miller seems to hint) then he should investigate as *good* but actually be *bad.* AKA, a Godfather. Obviously if Kuroi was a godfather then claiming Miller would be stupid as a cop check would show him up as town... but he could still be a different scum role. Now we’re at a crossroads. If he’s lying then he’s got himself the perfect excuse for any red check that ends up on him. If he’s telling the truth, we’ll truth be told as good a player as Kuroi is, he has a useless ability. You don’t have to follow me but I’m going to put my vote on Kuroi. We’re very unlikely to randomly lynch scum today and I’d rather take out a miller than accidentally knock out a cop or a doctor through random votes. Vote: KuroiBut seriously, no one's saying I'm cleared. In fact, I'm hanging a perpetual question mark with me from effectively my first post. But from my point of view, the jedis are evilit would be scummy as all hell to claim this AFTER I've already been investigated. Oh totally. Claiming Miller early is technically the best thing to do. My vote on you isn’t based off of anything personal or meme-y, or any conviction that I’ve got everything figured out. Just, you know, if we’re doing this then I prefer to put a “rando” vote one someone who MIGHT be pulling a bluff rather than just throwing totally random shit out.
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Oct 6, 2020 10:26:07 GMT -5
Yeah. That makes sense too.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Oct 6, 2020 10:35:40 GMT -5
If we find no information and want to lynch then yes a Miller claim certainly warrants that but deadline is Thursday night so I'll wait and see what else we see. But kuroi will get my vote Thursday if nothing else crops up
I'd also argue Palpatine in episodes 1-3 is the most obvious godfather and Lando wasn't trusted by the main cast after his political play in episode 5 even after saving them and helping rescue han.
Speaking of corpses Caff of you are han you should damn well play as the coolest character in the series.
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Post by Hyperion on Oct 6, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -5
yeet, dabbed, lolmafiaclaim. We should hang you just for speaking like that. Keep your 12 year old internet lingo out of my Star Wars nostalgia! BEEP BEEP BOOP WHIRR BUZZ BOOP BEEP Also I've no idea what a Miller is.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Oct 6, 2020 10:38:45 GMT -5
A Miller is a reverse godfather. Town who gets cop checked as scum
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Oct 6, 2020 10:48:03 GMT -5
If we find no information and want to lynch then yes a Miller claim certainly warrants that but deadline is Thursday night so I'll wait and see what else we see. But kuroi will get my vote Thursday if nothing else crops up I'd also argue Palpatine in episodes 1-3 is the most obvious godfather and Lando wasn't trusted by the main cast after his political play in episode 5 even after saving them and helping rescue han. Speaking of corpses Caff of you are han you should damn well play as the coolest character in the series. So Steele AND DT are voting me?
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Oct 6, 2020 10:54:14 GMT -5
If we find no information and want to lynch then yes a Miller claim certainly warrants that but deadline is Thursday night so I'll wait and see what else we see. But kuroi will get my vote Thursday if nothing else crops up I'd also argue Palpatine in episodes 1-3 is the most obvious godfather and Lando wasn't trusted by the main cast after his political play in episode 5 even after saving them and helping rescue han. Speaking of corpses Caff of you are han you should damn well play as the coolest character in the series. If I were Han the amount of GIFS I would be posting, manI don't think anyone is going to straight up claim something like Palpantine or Anakin lol I'll be paying a small-to-medium amount of attention especially as I have to finish putting together Wednesday Night Inferno: The Kindling shameless ads
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Oct 6, 2020 10:54:44 GMT -5
Like DT said, h2f specifically pointed out that most of the roles and abilities would not be used, and that noticeable changes would be made. So intentionally disregarding the mod’s explicit disclaimer and trying to make any sort of argument about how this game should work based off of how the other game worked will only end up with us remembering how OUR last game worked, where you did the exact same thing and flipped scum. why did you spend this post shading me then to turn around and do basically exactly what I was advocating for
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