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Post by IMMORTALS on May 4, 2018 15:06:23 GMT -5
I'm a part of three feds on the Network, and nothing to do with the Icons. So are you. The Network is a platform for you to try all kinds of ideas, and whatever friendships have been made IRL or story-wise, that shouldn't take anything away from your own experience. There is a discussion made especially for Religion talk, I think that is the only place on the board topics like this should be discussed and not an entire fed. Same goes for Politics and even Movies/ Music.
While I love the creativity and the actions you are taking, I don't think this would be a very successful federation. Heck, right now I don't think ANY fed would be super successful, as most guys are busy with one or two feds as it is. With a federation like this, I reckon you'll get more people staying well away from it versus actually showing interest. Best thing would be to join a moving fed and hop on the train. Once those become over populated and there is spill-over, THEN a new fed would be welcomed. But no fed is at capacity yet, and unless you are bringing a roster with you or advertising online you would struggle to even get 8 active members.
As for your your own time; form a plan with your current guys, build an alliance with new roster members, make your own clique. I think that would be a stronger way to play the game than trying a new, controversial fed.
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Post by The King on May 4, 2018 15:35:23 GMT -5
with that said I was looking for a way to bring something new and different to the Network that could bring in new people the network has basically turned into The AXW Network, AWF Network or we could say the Icon Network. That's because those feds/stables have worked their ways to the top, they've been an integral part of this network for a long while. Size and popularity isn't just given in e-fedding, it's earnt. You may not have intended to bash them but for me this is what I feel like you're doing. The reason AXW has worked so well in the Network despite having a controversial gimmick, is that it's not so argumentative that it causes a lot of debate among us e-fedders yet still maintains a unique gimmick unlike any other in the Network. The AWF works so well because of the way the staff run it and the small-fed-from-Ohio gimmick that they run alongside it, it's brilliant and works perfectly. But when a gimmick is so outlandish that the sign-up application itself causes so much debate and conflict between us, you can already tell this is an accident waiting to happen. Sorry Duke.
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Post by La Familia Price on May 4, 2018 15:46:21 GMT -5
For the record we Atheists do believe in something, it's called science and fact.
I'm also the type of Atheist that really doesn't give a shit what you believe you do you I'll do me, as long as you are not trying to force that shit on me we are cool and can talk about anything else.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 15:55:43 GMT -5
with that said I was looking for a way to bring something new and different to the Network that could bring in new people the network has basically turned into The AXW Network, AWF Network or we could say the Icon Network. That's because those feds/stables have worked their ways to the top, they've been an integral part of this network for a long while. Size and popularity isn't just given in e-fedding, it's earnt. You may not have intended to bash them but for me this is what I feel like you're doing. The reason AXW has worked so well in the Network despite having a controversial gimmick is that it's not so argumentative that it causes a lot of debate among us e-fedders yet still maintains a unique gimmick unlike any other in the Network. The AWF works so well because of the way the staff run it and the small-fed-from-Ohio gimmick that they run alongside it, it's brilliant and works perfectly. But when a gimmick is so outlandish that the sign-up application itself causes so much debate and conflict between us, you can already tell this is an accident waiting to happen. Sorry, Duke. Of course, I wasn't trying to bash them feds, I wouldn't have been a part of them if I didn't like them. I was just stating my thoughts but I never figured Mongo would approve my idea I just was having a thought for a new fed and tried to see where it went. Like I said I was never trying to start anything just thought it could be a cool new fed
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:02:52 GMT -5
For the record we Atheists do believe in something, it's called science and fact. I'm also the type of Atheist that really doesn't give a shit what you believe you do you I'll do me, as long as you are not trying to force that shit on me we are cool and can talk about anything else. Yeah can't argue with science and fact right? Except the fact... that so many things work...and no one really knows why. Each to his own.
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 4, 2018 16:09:50 GMT -5
As long as your not one of those people who take religion too far and say metal is the devils music or gay people or evil then i'm fine with you... Pay no real attention to me though. i'm just a conspiracy nut who's own believes are far too complicated and jumbled up to explain or talk about. But you never really know that something is a good or bad idea unless you try it. Although some things may be a bit touchy and a bit... controversial? Anyways... lets just all be cool and also...
how religious would audience of this place be?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:16:45 GMT -5
Kira that would depend on the location of the show, lol, you never know what will work until it's tried. and anyone who would sign up for it would have to understand this is a game and nothing said is personal.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on May 4, 2018 16:17:16 GMT -5
All those networks...
I'm in all 3 bitches!
Playing Devils advocate...how would you book someone of a different religion?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:20:42 GMT -5
Well the same way I would any other match they will face whoever their storyline takes them and depending on the storyline and the roleplays would determine how the crowd reacts and how I write the matches, but I would not job anyone and they all would be shown awesomely lol
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Post by Bobby Barratt on May 4, 2018 16:29:30 GMT -5
Well the same way I would any other match they will face whoever their storyline takes them and depending on the storyline and the roleplays would determine how the crowd reacts and how I write the matches, but I would not job anyone and they all would be shown awesomely lol No I mean along the face/heel divide with it being A Christian fed? I mean no offence, it just crossed my mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 17:11:08 GMT -5
Well, we would have to let the handler decide as Christians would be the faces Atheists are the heels any other religion could be tweeners but just like in real life the person could be a face even though he's atheist or a heel even though he's a Christian. So I would think about it if it was approved everything would be explained and no one would be placed as something if they didn't want to be
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Post by La Familia Price on May 4, 2018 19:03:11 GMT -5
For the record we Atheists do believe in something, it's called science and fact. I'm also the type of Atheist that really doesn't give a shit what you believe you do you I'll do me, as long as you are not trying to force that shit on me we are cool and can talk about anything else. Yeah can't argue with science and fact right? Except the fact... that so many things work...and no one really knows why. Each to his own. That's the great thing about science, it changes with proof, unlike religion.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on May 4, 2018 19:33:14 GMT -5
Alright well, I've already been offended multiple times from different people just reading this. I think that's answered any concerns I've had. Denied, and I'm locking the thread after this with that said I was looking for a way to bring something new and different to the Network that could bring in new people the network has basically turned into The AXW Network, AWF Network or we could say the Icon Network. That's because those feds/stables have worked their ways to the top, they've been an integral part of this network for a long while. Size and popularity isn't just given in e-fedding, it's earnt. Also, this, all day. I always say you get out what you put in. If you're not willing to advertise and work and legitimately sacrifice for your fed then it's gonna fail in the end. The XHF was held together by amazing people who sacrificed their social lives and their sanity and their time- it took that, from maybe 20 different people to keep a big fed going for 6 years- but it was an amazing time for everyone involved. Not every idea is gonna fly, and more importantly; unless you're going around digging up new blood to start your fed with it's probably gonna die almost immediately like 90% of feds outside of the Network's embrace. And that's not a made up number, you go through the reddit and look at all the advertisements and at LEAST 9 out of 10 of those feds are dead. The percentage for the network is closer to 60-70% but at least its better. The point is, there's a fed starting every day and many have cool ideas or concepts but they almost always fail unless you're willing to put in everything into them. FURTHERMORE. It's very easy to start a fed and have no follow-through. AWF and SSS have had up and downs but they're the longest lasting feds because their owners haven't given up during the difficult days. I remember in the XHF there were talks about us closing in year 4 or so; and Mueller (the guy who's a rampant jerk to me and others OOC) said in the secret admin forum that he'd always vote to stay open even if there were just two people to face off every show (and they were ok with that). That's the sort of dedication to your fed you need guys. If you're gonna pitch an idea, you know I'll usually let you try. But I don't do it because I think every fed will succeed. I do it because the Network is a safe area to fail in (since the members can just go to another fed). But, before you start a fed you need to ask yourself if you just wanna try something or if you're willing to stick it out. I've seen good feds on here close for literally no reason at all and it's strongly made myself and the other Network admins consider either A) not allowing those owners to open up new feds any more or B) having some sort of censures in place to make it more difficult for them to do so. Running a fed is a responsibility. Rping is just you playing the game, but being a fed head is being the game master- if you bail you let down everyone, not just yourself. In short: Success in owning a fed comes from many different aspects all coming together. Skill, thoughtfulness, dedication, a good attitude, the ability to hype people up about your gay sport fan fiction idea, and sure, some luck too. We've got a lot of dead feds already after only a year. If you really wanna be on the administrative side of things, try working together with others who wanna make it in the fed and build something together. The XHF never had an administrative team of less than 3 at any time and there were often 5 or more admins. If this is just about putting your name on something then you can throw all your ideas in the garbage because that's where they'll end up- and that's not to anyone specific, it's just a general frustration I've had dealing with fed owners when the Network was trying to start. There's three kind of guys who run feds: 1. "I CAN DO THIS BETTER THAN SO-AND-SO!" This is the worst reason to start a fed and unfortunately the main reason why feds start. Unsurprisingly, a fed started from negative emotions tends to fail. VXW is a great example of that, Rob didn't have those emotions but his entire staff did and once they were dealt with the difficulty of running a fed they bailed on Rob and left him holding the bag. 2. "I want my name on something, this is MY SHOW" I've seen good ideas from feds, I've seen wonderful writing and graphics. But if this is the you show you better be ready for you to handle all the administrative work. It's likely if you're starting a fed for reasons like this then you're gonna hit that burn-out hard or end up taking your frustrations out on your members when they didn't really do anything abnormal for fedding standards. You guys have seen these kind of feds already and the results thereof. 3. "I have an idea that I think we can all enjoy." Go for it man, but know that the work is hard. Like, real hard. And unless you legitimately enjoy writing matches then don't expect it to work. You wanna know why AWF succeeds? Kuroi, Steele, and Hype get into their matches and have fun with them. That rumble match could have killed a guy but Kuroi was having fun and after the fact said HE PROBABLY COULD HAVE EASILY GONE TO 80 PEOPLE. Kira writes almost all of SSS without much help at all, but he's passionate about women's wrestling. Bobby, Jack, and Dylan have bought into the AXW concept and are excited about spreading it to others with storylines and matches and keeping it interesting all the time. GUNS works because Scorps and Mueller have experience in fedding and know how to make it fun for everyone. We've all seen feds fail. And it's sad every single time, no matter how garbage the fed was. I implore you guys, if you wanna run a fed then consider what it's like doing so first. Really guys, if you want to have that experience of working with a fed, spend some months writing for another fed first. If you can keep it up for like what.....4 months or more of just writing matches then go for it. You'll be a better writer and understand the commitment it takes because being an owner is a thankless job. You give up all your pushes and title aspirations and mess up your rping in other feds just so that you can put on an entertaining show for people who don't say thank you (and often complain about how you run things). That's fed ownership. I'm not exaggerating at all. If you wanna win titles, don't run a fed. If you want to have a full and blossoming social life outside of efedding, don't run a fed. Again, this isn't specific to anyone, it's just a general knowledge of how to do it. Is fed ownership fulfilling? Absolutely,if you're fulfilled in the things that make up fed ownership. I love the PR and Community aspects of it so I thrive as an owner in those sectors. People wanna complain? Go ahead, I'll give you an ear, it doesn't bother or grate me all that much at all. But it's hard for a lot of others. Kanyon and DT are great writers and love to watch fun storylines bloom. The same can be said about some of our other fed owners here. But before you go into making a fed you have to look at your strengths and what you enjoy in fedding. If you can't handle everything then don't do it alone. Anyway, this is a long rant and I've got other stuff to do. Carry on. Lolz
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