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Post by Kira Izumi on May 13, 2018 12:41:48 GMT -5
This is very interesting and thanks for the info mongo. I still can't find my self to believe the entire planet was flooded as in Noah and the ark though. I think the entire world (in their sense and context which was probably just a small area or a small gulf/coastal reigion) was in fact flooded and everything/where else was actually fine. I think they write it as in their small area was the whole world and nothing else like australia, japan or even the americas existed to them.
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Post by IMMORTALS on May 13, 2018 14:16:26 GMT -5
This is very interesting and thanks for the info mongo. I still can't find my self to believe the entire planet was flooded as in Noah and the ark though. I think the entire world (in their sense and context which was probably just a small area or a small gulf/coastal reigion) was in fact flooded and everything/where else was actually fine. I think they write it as in their small area was the whole world and nothing else like australia, japan or even the americas existed to them. This is a great observation. Many can/ will say the stories of the Bible are fake or fiction. But they are also from a time where people were generally less educated. I mean, for many they didn't know of the lands outside their own, and this all happened way before world exploration took place too. So small feats and small events would have felt gigantic and impressive.
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 13, 2018 14:52:33 GMT -5
That's exactly why i don't say things from these types of stories in the bible or any other religious story/text/compliation are fake or bull shit or what ever, they're just read a little wrong and not in the right context. You have to put your self in that time before anyone knew that north america was a thing or anyone over there knew of people with black skin existed. It's just all on perspective and context.
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 13, 2018 14:54:04 GMT -5
also (because i'm too lazy to edit a post and this has gotten me thinking) i think adam and eve may be a retelling of how we really became mankind. I think they were the first humans, but that the story got muddy down the line and people just turned it into what we know today or something to that effect also.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 16:43:52 GMT -5
This is very interesting and thanks for the info mongo. I still can't find my self to believe the entire planet was flooded as in Noah and the ark though. I think the entire world (in their sense and context which was probably just a small area or a small gulf/coastal reigion) was in fact flooded and everything/where else was actually fine. I think they write it as in their small area was the whole world and nothing else like australia, japan or even the americas existed to them. This is a great observation. Many can/ will say the stories of the Bible are fake or fiction. But they are also from a time where people were generally less educated. I mean, for many they didn't know of the lands outside their own, and this all happened way before world exploration took place too. So small feats and small events would have felt gigantic and impressive. Okay, you can't believe the whole world was flooded but you can believe the whole world was frozen in Ice thus "The Ice Age" killing the Dinosaurs. See there are flaws in every things people believe or think on both sides in religion and science. It all comes down to faith, I will explain more if needed.
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Post by La Familia Price on May 13, 2018 17:31:12 GMT -5
You cant afford me.
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 13, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -5
This is a great observation. Many can/ will say the stories of the Bible are fake or fiction. But they are also from a time where people were generally less educated. I mean, for many they didn't know of the lands outside their own, and this all happened way before world exploration took place too. So small feats and small events would have felt gigantic and impressive. Okay, you can't believe the whole world was flooded but you can believe the whole world was frozen in Ice thus "The Ice Age" killing the Dinosaurs. See there are flaws in every things people believe or think on both sides in religion and science. It all comes down to faith, I will explain more if needed. Never said i believe the dinosaurs were killed off by the ice age, which is actually not right. They were killed off by a giant meteor according to scientists and geologists among others. The ice age was afterwards when woolly mammoths and saber-tooth tigers and things like that were alive. It doesn't make sense for woolly mammoths to live in the areas they did with all of that fur/hair and it not be incredibly cold. I'm not saying towards the equator was ever frozen, as their would likely be plenty of sunlight unless there was clouds or dust or something that blocked most of the sunlight, but we can't know that for sure. But i will say there's evidence a large part, at least all of the northern half of the world was likely covered in ice. But we have ice ages and global warming periods that go back and forth (i guess, sorry i can't word this right or good) as well. Also i doubt the earth having an inner and outer core only as well. We don't know what's down that deep as we've only dug 8 miles deep. We have no proof of whats down there. But that's another topic for another day. There are many things we don't know and will never know unless we gain the ability of time travel, but saying the entire planet flooded because of one book saying so, and not many others as far as i know whose religions are far older then Christianity, doesn't sound plausable. But like you said it's about your faith and what you think and believe in also as to what you think happened or not happened. Also i should of said this earlier, not sure who your talking to... just this got me interested,haha.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 18:35:09 GMT -5
That's true Kira, my point being I believe in Christianity and what the bible says, and I know other's may or may not but those who don't but believe in science are basically doing the same thing Christians are doing they are believing what someone else told them okay. Put it this way just because someone else says they are smarter and this is that so it is doesn't make it true right, and that's basically what people are saying about religion but in order to believe in science you have faith that science is correct and real and the same is said about religion we have faith in God and the Bible. Hopefully, you understand what I'm saying lol
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 13, 2018 19:35:11 GMT -5
i get what your saying now,lol. But i will say for the most part science has phisical and actual proof and evidence where as most religions have only word of mouth and something dead old dudes wrote about. Not saying either is more right then the other or anything just saying science has more "proof". If that makes any sense,lol. Anyways like i once said before on one of these threads, as long as you don't blindly just follow science or what ever religion you believe in then it's all good. You need a good mix of different believes and thoughts to keep your mind open and for you to not be blinded by what really is the truth.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on May 13, 2018 20:04:29 GMT -5
Point the first: Thank you Mongo I do try to be respectful.
Point the second: We do have proof of the inner and outer core based on how similar bodies in space have formed and which we have observed and because we can use the laws of gravity and electromagnetism to basically show that what we read in the text books about out planet has to be true or else physics wouldn't work correctly. It's a lot of math that is above my level but it's been proven over and over and over again.
Point the third: The Ice Age did NOT cover the entire planet in ice nor any where close it simply had many more glaciers, colder temps, more snow fall and the polar ice caps greatly expanded. So the idea of a flood and the ice age being similar is specious at best.
Point the fourth: The great flood ... while likely not as intense as described in the bible due to the age they were living in and the observational limitations ... is one of the stories in the bible we actually DO have pretty solid evidence of and while we cannot prove it for sure it is pretty damn probably there was a massive rising of the ocean/sea levels that would basically be a large worldwide flood. Want to see it for real? Keep burning coal ...
Point the fifth: The Ice Age came so very very long after the dinosaurs.
Point the sixth: Science does NOT require you to have "faith" that it is correct. Faith by definition is believing in something because you do, it is what you believe is right. It is not backed up by proof or fact. Science however does not require NOR ASK worship because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION of science is based on using evidence, repeatable results, and observations of natural occurrences to base a worldview on. AND it REQUIRES us to keep testing it and science thrives when proven wrong because that is how we discover more and become more in tune with the universe. To equate the way a person believes in God to the way a person knows about science is trying to put them into a similar style of belief system and is harmful to both since faith in religion requires you to believe in the absence of visual proof. For if you were to PROVE God existed beyond a shadow of a doubt you wouldn't need belief, you wouldn't need the Bible, you would just have fact. And that takes a LOT away from what religion does for society. And for science it takes away the factual evidence and the experiments and experiences built up over GENERATIONS of great men and women working on the shoulders and discoveries of great men and women to just PARTIALLY understand this little piece of the universe we call our home and this little piece of time we call our lives. Furthermore it is when you try to conflate science and religion you get the break downs and the arguments that just seem the worst since by design this is destined to be an unwinnable argument for both sides. The scientist will never "convince" the religious person they are wrong since faith doesn't require those observations, those experiments, and really it is impossible to completely prove wrong ... I suppose until you die and see the result. And the religious will never convince the scientist he is wrong since by definition he will have no "data", no repeatable results to prove himself correct. It is best to keep them close but at arms length where they can sit in harmony and do what they both need to do for the good of society.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on May 13, 2018 20:30:03 GMT -5
Ok, we're moving into a different subject; so I think that calls for a new topic, I'll post that post-haste
Also Price, why do you hurt me so with the truth? I think the blog looks fine though, what's wrong with it? How could I spruce it up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 10:33:08 GMT -5
Figured I'd post this here instead of making a new thread since this one has a lot of discussion on translation and interpretation. Does the bible outright condemn homosexuality? I just found this article: medium.com/@adamnicholasphillips/the-bible-does-not-condemn-homosexuality-seriously-it-doesn-t-13ae949d6619Now of course when I read the bible I thought it was pretty clear based on context what the writers were talking about. Yet the author cites a variety of sources suggesting the phrases used can mean anything from pervert, to "soft" people. Some of the sources used though offer a very weak rebuttal, in particular: From what I understand the NIV version has come under attack for many such differences in traditional teachings in their translation. Yet I guess that would open up a whole other topic about the business of printing the bible.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Nov 14, 2018 16:39:13 GMT -5
A lot of the verses stem from general lewdness. However the Bible does expressly count male-male relations as something to be avoided in the Old Testament. And the New Testament mentions 'male shrine prostitutes' in lines we've atributed to homosexuality
Having said all that, the Bible's main issue with homosexuality is less dudes banging dudes and more of it being another form of adultery- sex outside of marriage. That's the real issue. People just get tied up on one part of the adultery issue and pretend there's mothing wrong with their own lives
Remind me to write up why God is so difficult about boning this weekend
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Post by Dylan on Nov 14, 2018 17:45:16 GMT -5
A lot of the verses stem from general lewdness. However the Bible does expressly count male-male relations as something to be avoided in the Old Testament. And the New Testament mentions 'male shrine prostitutes' in lines we've atributed to homosexuality Having said all that, the Bible's main issue with homosexuality is less dudes banging dudes and more of it being another form of adultery- sex outside of marriage. That's the real issue. People just get tied up on one part of the adultery issue and pretend there's mothing wrong with their own lives Remind me to write up why God is so difficult about boning this weekend I thought that last line was "Why God is difficult to bone"
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Nov 14, 2018 18:06:12 GMT -5
A lot of the verses stem from general lewdness. However the Bible does expressly count male-male relations as something to be avoided in the Old Testament. And the New Testament mentions 'male shrine prostitutes' in lines we've atributed to homosexuality Having said all that, the Bible's main issue with homosexuality is less dudes banging dudes and more of it being another form of adultery- sex outside of marriage. That's the real issue. People just get tied up on one part of the adultery issue and pretend there's mothing wrong with their own lives Remind me to write up why God is so difficult about boning this weekend I thought that last line was "Why God is difficult to bone" I was actually debating writing it as 'Why God has a boner over boners'
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