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Post by Mr. Blood on Oct 5, 2022 20:33:01 GMT -5
Mostly build up for the PPV, but I thought it was a solid show not as epic as the last two.
Give me that feedback!
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Post by "The High Roller" Wesley Crane on Oct 6, 2022 14:21:05 GMT -5
I thought it was another solid show. Maybe there wasn't as many new arrivals at this show, but I think that's a good thing. There's plenty of great storylines with the roster we already have. If there were going to be any new arrivals, I would have liked to of seen some of the entrants of the Battle of Britain match show up. But they didn't, and like I said, that's okay because there were still plenty of good stories to be told in this show. Great job again!
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Post by eddiehavok on Oct 7, 2022 10:55:47 GMT -5
I just want to agree with what was said above. It was a good solid show, smaller than the last couple. However it was a good build up for the pay per view. I didn't mind that there wasn't any guest appearances or new people show up at this show.
I know the PPV is going to be huge. Looking forward to see what happens afterwards.
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Post by Anthony Jordan/ Kalmin Watts on Oct 7, 2022 16:11:48 GMT -5
Appreciate the hard work, Industry brother. Lots of hard work. As we have discussed, multi-man matches are difficult to write. I have no idea how you have the time and energy to do all this. If this was on my plate, I'd break down and cry.
I will publicly (as this has been discussed in private) throw my support behind the idea that match results should have word counts (the main event being an exception). For instance, 500 words for the open, then increase by 250 or however much for each additional match. If you want to go all out on the PPVs, then I would get it. As it is, my character was in the first match of the card. I thought it was too big and dramatic for newer characters. We haven't earned it, yet. I think the results should increase in size and description as you move down the card. With every match written like a major match, I think it exhausts the writer and the reader. My example would be:
True to their agreement, Crane and Watts worked together against the female competitors. Tensions would rise whenever Crane would try to cover DiMaria or be too vicious to Zolo, but both men kept their tempers in check. Once they cleared the ring of the women, the two men wrestled earnest. Crane even resisted cheap shots when the referee would break them up. Crane used his speed early to confound Watts, but Watts was on guard enough for In Your Face. Eventually, Watts reversed an Irish whip then planted Crane with Spinebuster. The fans cheer as Watts tried to hook in the Idolizer, but Crane was able to get into the ropes. Instead of continuing a match, Crane fled to the outside. Watts gave chase...
From that point, you could write about the chair shot, Miranda, and the finish. I think main events deserve the full Donzig treatment, but the lower stuff deserves 10%, quarter, and/or half-Donzig treatment.
P.S. Is there any way to reply and not use Quick Reply? I just get a black screen where I should be able to type.
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Post by Anthony Jordan/ Kalmin Watts on Oct 7, 2022 16:32:58 GMT -5
I wanted to say I was grateful to be made to look strong. However, I don't want any bad blood with Crane because it's almost as if my guy no sold his finisher. I know Omega doesn't use it as a finisher, but Crane uses it as his finisher. I hope it gets put over at the Battle of Britain.
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Post by Eron Hunter on Oct 7, 2022 16:46:20 GMT -5
I agree with the idea of word limit for the match results.
An opener should be different from a main event.
This way helps the writers too.
As far as the show goes: A strong show, good builder for the PPV.
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Post by "The High Roller" Wesley Crane on Oct 7, 2022 18:31:48 GMT -5
I wanted to say I was grateful to be made to look strong. However, I don't want any bad blood with Crane because it's almost as if my guy no sold his finisher. I know Omega doesn't use it as a finisher, but Crane uses it as his finisher. I hope it gets put over at the Battle of Britain. Never any bad blood between us, friend
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Post by edwarddubin0604 on Oct 7, 2022 18:44:21 GMT -5
Excellent show and the top contenders match becoming a Tables, Ladders and Chairs match between Donzig, Psychotic Goth and Jakie Wentzel looks promising at battle of Britain. Can't wait for that.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Oct 7, 2022 20:08:30 GMT -5
P.S. Is there any way to reply and not use Quick Reply? I just get a black screen where I should be able to type. Strange. If you click the normal "reply" button (in the upper right-hand corner of the quick reply box) it should bring you to a more formal posting page where you can type/code up a reply.
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Post by Anthony Jordan/ Kalmin Watts on Oct 7, 2022 20:40:42 GMT -5
I think I know what it is. It may just be an issue with me. Apparently, when I hit "Reply" or try to quote, I get a black background. When I type, it's black letters. I think switching to the BBCode tab helps (even if I can't code to save my life).
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Post by Old Line Jeff on Oct 8, 2022 21:06:48 GMT -5
With apologies for rocking the boat, I'm going to come out against making a match word count limit.
It often takes more words to write a tag match than a singles match, more words to write a trios match than a tag, and scramble matches? forget it. What if you have, on the same card, a main event where the RPing is, excused or not, lazy, and a debut vs debut match where the new handlers come out and absolutely tear the house down?
And what about if you happen to be named Jeff and you like writing your own matches but they're a labor of love and they turn out however long they turn out?
I've seen feds run into a problem before where the matchwriters basically got into competition with each other, every match had to be a 90s AJPW main event, and the burnout became unbelievably real, so I do agree that it's something to watch out for. But I'm not sure we're there yet, and I don't think a simple wordcap for matchwriting is the solution.
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Post by Old Line Jeff on Oct 8, 2022 21:09:21 GMT -5
As for the show itself, not too much comment. I said a few shows ago (pretty sure it was Show 6) "there was nothing awesome but not every card needs to be awesome, some of them need to be those shows that help build towards the bigger shows and big moments and there's a lot to be said for keeping momentum going." This was a better version was great insofar as a PPV Go-Home Show goes.
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Post by Donzig on Oct 8, 2022 22:55:09 GMT -5
I suspect it was 4 or 5.
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Post by Anthony Jordan/ Kalmin Watts on Oct 9, 2022 14:48:58 GMT -5
With apologies for rocking the boat, I'm going to come out against making a match word count limit. It often takes more words to write a tag match than a singles match, more words to write a trios match than a tag, and scramble matches? forget it. What if you have, on the same card, a main event where the RPing is, excused or not, lazy, and a debut vs debut match where the new handlers come out and absolutely tear the house down? And what about if you happen to be named Jeff and you like writing your own matches but they're a labor of love and they turn out however long they turn out? I've seen feds run into a problem before where the matchwriters basically got into competition with each other, every match had to be a 90s AJPW main event, and the burnout became unbelievably real, so I do agree that it's something to watch out for. But I'm not sure we're there yet, and I don't think a simple wordcap for matchwriting is the solution. I would counter with the argument that any match can be summed up in a sentence, if it was absolutely necessary. I'm not suggesting we do that, but I will argue against a notion that matches must have a requisite amount of words. Legacys appear to be semi-regular shows. I think giving them results that rival the length of PPVs devalue the PPVs. If the results are similar to any Legacy, why do PPVs matter at all? Albeit, that is exactly the current WWE model. I don't think match length should correlate to how good the feud was. If you think a lower card guy is outperforming a main eventer, push the lower card guy! That's realistic to me. For people who read all the RPs and the results, they can tell something is not synced up. That is exactly how it works in real life, and I find that to be attractive. I would be happy to compromise and have a short-form results posted in addition to the long-form results. Sometimes matches can be so big and unwieldy that I can lose a lot of what I just read. Knowing the result and any major story components would help me out. Another reason I favor shorter results, especially on lower card matches, is that I can play with the particulars in post-match RPs. Match-writers can't always read and remember every RP, let alone every aspect of each RP. That is understandable. Sometimes, aspects of the stories we were telling get missed or not included. Facets of a character can be missed, too. Example: Wesley Crane's finisher was applied to Watts 2-3 times. I had Watts sell it after match and note that Crane didn't get all of at least one In Your Face. That wasn't in the results, but I retconned it because a running knee to the face could kill a man. Just because Crane is a heel doesn't mean his finisher is ineffective. I put him over in my RPs because I was in the best spot to do it as I was acutely familiar with his work. With short results, we could have discussed the ending and worked something out that gives us the ability to better work in the future. For big matches, detailed results are great. The story is likely over, so the match needs to do a lot of heavy lifting. However, for smaller matches and matches that are not the blowoff of a feud, less detailed results give me some play to keep telling my story. I would like to be able to tell my story as best I can, but if a long match makes 5-10 things canon, it becomes trickier to tell that story. Also, I would have concerns about working with a guy who loves to write his own matches. I take that as code for "You're a prop in my work". You know and love your characters. You have written a ton about them and will write much more about them. My character is basically vacationing in your world, so, in the scheme of things, who cares if you treat him appropriately? I see some risk in that.
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Post by robriot on Oct 11, 2022 8:38:11 GMT -5
I could read the whole show in one sitting, so I'm fine with the length. I also enjoyed it. Big props to Wesley Crane because that segment really added to the show (and for being a major contributor in general since arriving in the fed), and further props to the Gus Arnold stuff, because that also adds layers and intrigue. I am not normally a fan of the "lets go off air with a schmozz finish" because it screams "every episode of RAW ever," but in this case Long needed to make a splash on his comeback and it's connected to an ongoing angle so it didn't jar. The quality of written results here is consistently great. Maybe the whole word limit thing could be put to a vote, but I feel like if people are willing to RP and post segments then they're being rewarded with the matches they deserve.
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