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Post by "The High Roller" Wesley Crane on Feb 14, 2024 8:37:57 GMT -5
Let's hear them. We look forward to your input so we can make WUK better each and every show. So let's hear your honest thoughts and opinions.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Feb 14, 2024 8:56:34 GMT -5
I loved the War Games match! Everyone got their chances to shine, there was mostly realistic commentary, the match told a story by setting up stuff and calling back to them later (like LE's potential injury), and by splitting up the tag guys they got better individual shine put on them and more focus on their unique styles. I was really happy with how that turned out even if LD took one heck of a beating, lol. Would totes war games again.
Two commentary notes: -There was a mention of heels by the commentary, which is fine but does pull things out a bit....most of that was confined to in-match stuff though so it's fine -Actually the Network acknowledges "real" wrestlers, so no need to call them that, just other wrestlers. WWE was a rival of XHF during the XHF era and some wrestlers jumped ship from either fed to the other.
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Post by flo on Feb 14, 2024 9:07:04 GMT -5
I loved the War Games match! Jeez Mongo, there was more than one War Games match. 🫤 Don't make me heckle you!
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Feb 14, 2024 9:24:50 GMT -5
I loved the War Games match! Jeez Mongo, there was more than one War Games match. 🫤 Don't make me heckle you! Fine fine, I loved the War Games match that starred Lord Dominicus ....better?
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Post by flo on Feb 14, 2024 9:43:39 GMT -5
Jeez Mongo, there was more than one War Games match. 🫤 Don't make me heckle you! Fine fine, I loved the War Games match that starred Lord Dominicus ....better? At least it acknowledges the scope of your review. Merci. 🤗
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Post by Mr. Blood on Feb 14, 2024 19:12:24 GMT -5
Needs more Donzig.
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Post by Old Line Jeff on Feb 15, 2024 0:16:26 GMT -5
-Actually the Network acknowledges "real" wrestlers, so no need to call them that, just other wrestlers. WWE was a rival of XHF during the XHF era and some wrestlers jumped ship from either fed to the other. So funny story about that.
In the very first fed I was ever in, circa 2000-01, mentioning the real wrestlers was something we brought out when we wanted to be extra-good. I'm not quite sure why, I guess someone wrote an RP with real wrestlers in it and it was good and so other people tried to ape it. This efed was called Lilsboys Wrestling Federation, and it was run by two guys who'd later become the wrestling columnists for some UK newspaper. (They also insisted that Hayabusa was too obscure to write about after he suffered his broken neck). I guess it's worth mentioning that LBWF started as a fed that allowed both created wrestlers and real wrestlers. It later switched to mostly created wrestlers only, but some real wrestlers got grandfathered in.
When LBWF closed basically the whole roster rolled over to the first efed I ran, Innovative Wrestling Alliance, and IWA early on ran pretty much exactly the way LBWF did. IWA joined an interfed called the National Wrestling Council Affiliated Leagues (NWCal) - basically a feeder system to keep the actual National Wrestling Council interfed at six total feds (if an NWC fed went belly up, the best NWCal fed got called up to the NWC proper). For the first interfed event IWA participated in, a two-handler tag team was in a tournament and they mentioned real wrestling.
Well, despite it not being written anywhere as an official rule, apparently "nothing real exists or has ever existed in the efed universe" was a sacred cow for the NWC guys. The NWC had a totally unmoderated OOC. And some of you may have been around long enough to remember how nasty ooc stuff could get back when efedding was big enough that it could afford to alienate potential players. For the sin of mentioning real wrestlers, I think one of them was Booker T, the NWC judges wanted blood. They wanted worse than blood. One of my fellow fedheads legitimately suggested not just kicking IWA out of the NWCal, but killing off all the IWA wrestlers on the NWCal PPV as punishment for this atrocious sin.
Even years later, some of my friends who got their start in the NWC system would get buttblasted at the very mention of any real wrestlers/wrestling anywhere in an RP or results.
I feel like I'm failing to convey the intensity of the absolute contempt and disdain sheer seething hatred these guys had for mentioning real wrestling in the efed universe.
So if anyone actually read ad still remembers that last Ronnie Long RP I wrote where my characters had a dumb meta discussion about did Amanda Nunes exist in this continuity/well what about Ronda Rousey/does anyone even remember Ken Shamrock, well, that whole nonsense was my inability to let go of something that literally nobody besides me and maybe two other dudes even remembers and resulting compulsion to tap dance around it.
And now you know.
And there never was a battle so I guess feel free to forget like I should've 20+ years ago.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Feb 15, 2024 9:12:57 GMT -5
The XHF crew ran into a similar (albeit less extreme) situation. The XHF had always allowed created or real wrestlers and actually one of our best champions was Chris Kanyon.
Fast forward to the XHF closing and most of us going to NCW. NCW was created wrestlers only. But the owner, Adam (Zelda Knight/Lady Dominicus), knew about Kanyon and was juuuuuuuust about to let him in as Chris Kanyon when the irl guy died and Kanyon decided to retire the character (well, let him die as well). But Curtis Kanyon, his brother, did great in NCW (and in the Network)
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Post by "The High Roller" Wesley Crane on Feb 15, 2024 13:14:06 GMT -5
I want Flo's thoughts and opinions. He's always really detailed and gives great feedback. Come on Flo... give me what I want
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Post by Kasper Van Zant on Feb 15, 2024 14:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by flo on Feb 17, 2024 1:09:03 GMT -5
Originally envisioned as an All War Games show as Donzig's Birthday present to himself - it shifted slightly, but let's see how it stacked up......
- We kick off with a short segment featuring Hana Akiga & Sinclair Godfrey. More visual than talking heads. I'm in favour of fast & frequent segments (give me that ECW TV miserlou montage energy) - but this feels like it should have been formatted to look slightly longer? Like if the text is smaller than the graphic saying segment, maybe drop the segment logo at the top? Still dig the tag push.
- Segment 2 - The hyperbole on the Kasper entrance "You deserve it" and "Elvis is back" seems a little forced. This is a rookie face who has taken down an established vet face, respect is important, but the hard sell is unnecessary. Kasper's promo tip toes heel as loose cannon - but is highly effective. Dresden interruption pushes her hard for elimination chamber, though undermines the Swann match as little more than lip service. It's short but it hits the check boxes on Kasper as poster girl, Dresden as immediate main eventer, and High Rollers as Poochie. "Where's Poochie?" Jokes aside, I dig the everyone hates Crane connective tissue.
- Segment 3 - Goth HATES Kira. Downplays the team dynamics of the event to focus on singles grudge, which doesn't help the evening's theme - but this is still classic Ed trash talk, and always gets his match over. Everyone should be putting this effort in.
- Match 1 - Sinclair Godfrey vs. David Slam the Third. Really fun opener / classic WUK style that organically shows how the specific characters gel rather than slotting their moves into a series of spots. Gets Godfey's new title run over, while letting the Slams shine.
- Segment 4 - Crane. Connects the earlier Kasper/Dresden bit, hypes Elimination Chamber, ties it into the evening's war games - and gets over Tommy Draven. Crane remains unchallenged when it comes to powerful segments that hit all the marks.
- Match 2 - Team Kira vs Team FML - BOOOOOOO on the card placement. Match itself is all the bat shit craziness one comes to expect from Donzig, with really fun spots throughout. I'm really glad that Kira roped in the Jrok crew - as deserving as UZUMAKI was of an ass kicking, Harding really brings the Jrok star power. Promo wise it was also really close, and a shame that PRICE didn't get a promo in, as it could have gone either way. If this ends up being the final chapter in the two year Flo/Kira grudge, then Donzig had us go out on a high. Na props to all involved.
- Segment 5 - Blood with a quick breakdown of upcoming defences, and the tag tournament. It's no nonsense, to the point. I like the fat myself, but this economic style gets the important points across.
- Match 3 - Eli Dresden vs. Brad Swann. Short, but not a squash. Perfect for a palette cleanser between war games, doesn't bury Swann despite the no show, while further building Dresden as title contender. Effective.
- Match 4 - High Rollers vs. Friends of LD. Epic. Everyone excels, inventive spots, and a nice payoff for the long suffering Glucks. The finish also puts a focus on tag action, plants the seeds for a Rage solo act, pays off that feud without either team looking bad. Probably would have rearranged match order to put more focus on both war games, and would have shuffled the segments to put buffer between the last two matches, but this is a baller offering. Really appreciate the hard work y'all put into it.
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Post by edwarddubin0604 on Feb 17, 2024 18:57:35 GMT -5
Love and War was pretty good. I especially enjoyed the Star Trekker vs. Martian Match and the Paramount +/ Warner Bros. streaming references and the ending. Kudos to the writers and all who did their promos.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Feb 17, 2024 20:08:52 GMT -5
Love and War was pretty good. I especially enjoyed the Star Trekker vs. Martian Match and the Paramount +/ Warner Bros. streaming references and the ending. Kudos to the writers and all who did their promos. That was a Supremacy match, not Love and War, lol. Though I agree, Jack Diamond did an excellent job with that match.
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Post by edwarddubin0604 on Feb 17, 2024 20:19:08 GMT -5
Oh well I still loved the match and Love and War and Supremacy.
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Post by "The High Roller" Wesley Crane on Feb 19, 2024 17:11:18 GMT -5
Originally envisioned as an All War Games show as Donzig's Birthday present to himself - it shifted slightly, but let's see how it stacked up...... - We kick off with a short segment featuring Hana Akiga & Sinclair Godfrey. More visual than talking heads. I'm in favour of fast & frequent segments (give me that ECW TV miserlou montage energy) - but this feels like it should have been formatted to look slightly longer? Like if the text is smaller than the graphic saying segment, maybe drop the segment logo at the top? Still dig the tag push. - Segment 2 - The hyperbole on the Kasper entrance "You deserve it" and "Elvis is back" seems a little forced. This is a rookie face who has taken down an established vet face, respect is important, but the hard sell is unnecessary. Kasper's promo tip toes heel as loose cannon - but is highly effective. Dresden interruption pushes her hard for elimination chamber, though undermines the Swann match as little more than lip service. It's short but it hits the check boxes on Kasper as poster girl, Dresden as immediate main eventer, and High Rollers as Poochie. "Where's Poochie?" Jokes aside, I dig the everyone hates Crane connective tissue. - Segment 3 - Goth HATES Kira. Downplays the team dynamics of the event to focus on singles grudge, which doesn't help the evening's theme - but this is still classic Ed trash talk, and always gets his match over. Everyone should be putting this effort in. - Match 1 - Sinclair Godfrey vs. David Slam the Third. Really fun opener / classic WUK style that organically shows how the specific characters gel rather than slotting their moves into a series of spots. Gets Godfey's new title run over, while letting the Slams shine. - Segment 4 - Crane. Connects the earlier Kasper/Dresden bit, hypes Elimination Chamber, ties it into the evening's war games - and gets over Tommy Draven. Crane remains unchallenged when it comes to powerful segments that hit all the marks. - Match 2 - Team Kira vs Team FML - BOOOOOOO on the card placement. Match itself is all the bat shit craziness one comes to expect from Donzig, with really fun spots throughout. I'm really glad that Kira roped in the Jrok crew - as deserving as UZUMAKI was of an ass kicking, Harding really brings the Jrok star power. Promo wise it was also really close, and a shame that PRICE didn't get a promo in, as it could have gone either way. If this ends up being the final chapter in the two year Flo/Kira grudge, then Donzig had us go out on a high. Na props to all involved. - Segment 5 - Blood with a quick breakdown of upcoming defences, and the tag tournament. It's no nonsense, to the point. I like the fat myself, but this economic style gets the important points across. - Match 3 - Eli Dresden vs. Brad Swann. Short, but not a squash. Perfect for a palette cleanser between war games, doesn't bury Swann despite the no show, while further building Dresden as title contender. Effective. - Match 4 - High Rollers vs. Friends of LD. Epic. Everyone excels, inventive spots, and a nice payoff for the long suffering Glucks. The finish also puts a focus on tag action, plants the seeds for a Rage solo act, pays off that feud without either team looking bad. Probably would have rearranged match order to put more focus on both war games, and would have shuffled the segments to put buffer between the last two matches, but this is a baller offering. Really appreciate the hard work y'all put into it. My dude 🤜🏼🤛🏼
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