U-Mad Inventor’s Faire [Over]

[mosler]

Question for those of you that have played this more than me......

Have we seen the Janitor job in previous XHF versions of mafia?

[Steele]

Not to my knowledge

[Curtis D. Kanyon]

Apr 3, 2020 1:45:44 GMT -5 Steele said:

Apr 2, 2020 19:14:44 GMT -5 Curtis D. Kanyon said:

Also, it gives my vote some time to explain why we shouldn't believe the red check of a town that he seems to be ignoring?

Vote: Steele

I'm not ignoring it. I've acknowledged it several times. It's the reason I voted Caff, because a "red check" on me is impossible.

Caff downgraded that "red check" to "a sense of dread" eventually. And if you look at his role, you'll know that Hider is NOT an investigative role.

So to everyone who is pushing this line of reasoning I ask this in return; how does a non-investigative role return an investigation result?

Mosler posted a rather confusingly-worded theory that Caff was watching me when someone else came by the room; I don't think that's possible. I suffered no effects that night, roleblocker, colourspeak, vigilante, nightkill, whatever... and anything that happened to me *would have happened to Caff too.*

A major part of Caff's role is that *he cannot be targeted* when he hides. You know what I think is the most likely explanation? Someone tried to target him, most likely the roleblocker. His "feeling of dread" could have been the feeling that somebody was in *his* room while he was away.

So does that answer the question a little more?

Anyway, the scum hunt. From the posts you guys have made last night and this morning, it looks a little bit like Mosler is trying to protect Mav and Kanyon is trying to protect Mosler. Bah. You can't ALL be scum.

Mosler trying to protect Mav is plausible as a scum team, Kanyon and Mosler together is not though. Unless you guys are monumentally stupid. IMO the only possible scum teams are MAV/CDK, MAV/MOS, MTD/CDK.

You'll notice Maverick is listed there twice, as is Kanyon. My predicament arises from the fact that even though Mav and Kanyon are both high suspicion, there's still a slight chance that it's Mongo or Mosler. Let's look through the possibilities.

Flip Mav: If he's scum then it's Mosler or Kanyon. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon.

Flip Kanyon: If scum then it's Mav or Mongo. If town it's Mosler or Mav.

Flip Mosler: If scum, it's Mav. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon OR Mav and Kanyon.

Flip Mongo: If he's scum then it's Kanyon. If he's town it's Mav and Mosler OR Mav and Kanyon.

So you'll see that no matter where I vote, there's still uncertainty. Killing a scum Mosler or Mongo means we find the other scum for sure tomorrow (as they only have one likely scum partner each) BUT it carries the most risk if they're town as it leaves two possible scum teams open.

Killing a scum Mav or Kanyon still leaves uncertainty over the scum buddy, but it clears Mongo or Mosler respectively, and we also have tomorrow to hunt down the last scum.

A mislynch finishes us. I get that, I understand the pressure to try and identify scum now. But the more we talk about it the closer we get to a deadline no-lynch which is equally as bad. Mongo, as far as I can see, is *most likely* to be town out of you four. Not dead cert, he's a slippery sonofabitch and could still be lying, but he's most likely.

Take that into consideration though, and my most viable options are:

MAV-KANYON

MAV-MOSLER

Maverick is in both of those teams. That's why my vote stops there. At this point, we aren't going to get any more pertinent information unless a scum just stands up and admits it. This is as close as I can get right now. It's not ideal, but it's better than just delaying until day ends.

And Mongo, if it's you then by God this is going to become Jackson Steele's XXXHF Network so fucking fast but this time it won't be a prank.

Yeah, of course, there's five of us left, these are most of the options, should you be town. But trying to overload us with all these possibilities only makes me think you're trying to distract from you more. So maybe we should add those options.

If Steele flips scum, it's probably Mongo as the other scum because they both jumped on Mav. Mav wouldn't be scum because it would be madness for Steele to add to a vote count on a teammate at this point. I don't think it's Mosler because then they'd have won by now. If Steele flips town, my guess is Mongo and Mav.

I think the only thing I've figured out is to not vote for Mosler at this point.

[Steele]

Apr 3, 2020 13:59:35 GMT -5 Curtis D. Kanyon said:

Apr 3, 2020 1:45:44 GMT -5 Steele said:

I'm not ignoring it. I've acknowledged it several times. It's the reason I voted Caff, because a "red check" on me is impossible.

Caff downgraded that "red check" to "a sense of dread" eventually. And if you look at his role, you'll know that Hider is NOT an investigative role.

So to everyone who is pushing this line of reasoning I ask this in return; how does a non-investigative role return an investigation result?

Mosler posted a rather confusingly-worded theory that Caff was watching me when someone else came by the room; I don't think that's possible. I suffered no effects that night, roleblocker, colourspeak, vigilante, nightkill, whatever... and anything that happened to me *would have happened to Caff too.*

A major part of Caff's role is that *he cannot be targeted* when he hides. You know what I think is the most likely explanation? Someone tried to target him, most likely the roleblocker. His "feeling of dread" could have been the feeling that somebody was in *his* room while he was away.

So does that answer the question a little more?

Anyway, the scum hunt. From the posts you guys have made last night and this morning, it looks a little bit like Mosler is trying to protect Mav and Kanyon is trying to protect Mosler. Bah. You can't ALL be scum.

Mosler trying to protect Mav is plausible as a scum team, Kanyon and Mosler together is not though. Unless you guys are monumentally stupid. IMO the only possible scum teams are MAV/CDK, MAV/MOS, MTD/CDK.

You'll notice Maverick is listed there twice, as is Kanyon. My predicament arises from the fact that even though Mav and Kanyon are both high suspicion, there's still a slight chance that it's Mongo or Mosler. Let's look through the possibilities.

Flip Mav: If he's scum then it's Mosler or Kanyon. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon.

Flip Kanyon: If scum then it's Mav or Mongo. If town it's Mosler or Mav.

Flip Mosler: If scum, it's Mav. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon OR Mav and Kanyon.

Flip Mongo: If he's scum then it's Kanyon. If he's town it's Mav and Mosler OR Mav and Kanyon.

So you'll see that no matter where I vote, there's still uncertainty. Killing a scum Mosler or Mongo means we find the other scum for sure tomorrow (as they only have one likely scum partner each) BUT it carries the most risk if they're town as it leaves two possible scum teams open.

Killing a scum Mav or Kanyon still leaves uncertainty over the scum buddy, but it clears Mongo or Mosler respectively, and we also have tomorrow to hunt down the last scum.

A mislynch finishes us. I get that, I understand the pressure to try and identify scum now. But the more we talk about it the closer we get to a deadline no-lynch which is equally as bad. Mongo, as far as I can see, is *most likely* to be town out of you four. Not dead cert, he's a slippery sonofabitch and could still be lying, but he's most likely.

Take that into consideration though, and my most viable options are:

MAV-KANYON

MAV-MOSLER

Maverick is in both of those teams. That's why my vote stops there. At this point, we aren't going to get any more pertinent information unless a scum just stands up and admits it. This is as close as I can get right now. It's not ideal, but it's better than just delaying until day ends.

And Mongo, if it's you then by God this is going to become Jackson Steele's XXXHF Network so fucking fast but this time it won't be a prank.

Yeah, of course, there's five of us left, these are most of the options, should you be town. But trying to overload us with all these possibilities only makes me think you're trying to distract from you more. So maybe we should add those options.

If Steele flips scum, it's probably Mongo as the other scum because they both jumped on Mav. Mav wouldn't be scum because it would be madness for Steele to add to a vote count on a teammate at this point. I don't think it's Mosler because then they'd have won by now. If Steele flips town, my guess is Mongo and Mav.

I think the only thing I've figured out is to not vote for Mosler at this point.

1. I’m not “overloading with possibilities” Kanyon, I listed the six possible combinations, eliminated three of them yesterday, and narrowed it down about as far as I can to one very likely combo, one possible combo, and one less likely combo.

2. I’d like the attention off of me just as much as anyone would, be they town or scum. But I’m not posting because I’m trying to deflect, I’m posting because Mav had holes in his claim and he is by far the most likely suspect.

[Steele]

Kanyon you don’t think it’s Mosler, and you don’t think it’s both me and Mav. You think it’s me and Mongo.

So switch to Mongo. And before anyone screams “Steele is trying to get heat off him again!!!” - it doesn’t really change anything. There are no votes on Mongo and only you on me.

[h2f]

Vote Count Day 4.2

End of day Saturday 8pm Eastern US (midnight GMT)

Five players left
1. mosler
4. Steele - 1 Against
8. Mongo
9. Kanyon - 1 Against
10. Maverick - 2 Against


(a majority is 3 votes against)

[Steele]

Apr 3, 2020 15:06:40 GMT -5 Steele said:

Kanyon you don’t think it’s Mosler, and you don’t think it’s both me and Mav. You think it’s me and Mongo.

So switch to Mongo. And before anyone screams “Steele is trying to get heat off him again!!!” - it doesn’t really change anything. There are no votes on Mongo and only you on me.

You know what, this is moot. I was kinda hoping to gauge Kanyon's reaction to see if it might indicate that he and Mongo are scum team but I realised if that was the case then they would have hammered Mav and won already.

So at this point we have:

Mongo/Kanyon
Mosler/Mongo
Mosler/Kanyon

It's not any of these groups unless they're either completely {Mongo Edit: Nah we don't say that anymore} or playing the weirdest long-con ever because they all could have won by now.

Mongo/Maverick

Unless there's an even longer con in the works, I see no reason why Mongo would bus his partner when the day had barely begun.

So far Mongo is 3/3 Town clear in my eyes. Mosler is 2/3.

This leaves...

Maverick/Mosler
Maverick/Kanyon

Now here's why I don't think it's Mosler. If he was scum - with the only plausible partner IMO being Mav, who is sat at L-1 - he would be making WAY more effort to put heat on someone else. At the VERY LEAST I'd have expected a vote on me, if not an outright bus in an attempt to save face.

That leaves me with the group I've been pushing since the start. Mav and Kanyon. I am CERTAIN that it's Mav, and given the above on Mosler I'm 99% sure he's working with Kanyon.

Yes, I know I'm not included in those reads. I know I'm town. It's redundant for me to read myself. Don't be a dumbass and think that's a sure-fire lock on me.

Mav and Kanyon. I'm not budging.

[Steele]

You know what, just to put minds at ease I'll run through my own possibilities.

Me and Mosler: Nope, Mos could have hammered Mav.

Me and Kanyon: Nope, same as above.

Me and Mav: This makes even less sense than Mongo and Mav together.

Me and Mongo: The only one that makes sense. Until you realise that we could have both hammered Kanyon and won by now.

Fuck... Reading myself was a good idea. Happy now? I AM CATEGORICALLY NOT SCUM. In 3/4 scenarios I could have won by now. In the 4th, then you have to seriously believe I would push my "scum buddy" to L-1 needlessly.

Your move.

[Steele]

You know what, I started two consecutive posts with the phrase "you know what."

AGH! Three!

[mosler]

Steele has mentioned being rollblocked.

So my question is: has anyone else received a notification that they were rollblocked, and if so what night did it occur on?

[Steele]

I don't see how that's going to help in the slightest. All it does is look more and more like you're stalling for time.

I've shown why me and Mongo are town. I've shown why Mav has to be scum.

If Kanyon isn't the second scum, then you are. That's the only thing I can't pin down with full confidence right now.

We cannot afford to just not lynch someone because we're deciding at the eleventh hour whether someone is telling the truth or not about being nightkilled. I'd rather take a shot at someone I highly suspect and have a chance of winning than just walk into an endgame and lose by default.

[Mongo the Destroyer]

Yeah, this is tricky because the 3 townies need to agree.

Anyway yeah, I’m with Steele, if you think I’m scum then vote for me. The truth is that scum likely won’t hammer themselves and considering it’s been more than a day of us sitting on Mav.... :thinking:

[mosler]

Apr 3, 2020 1:54:24 GMT -5 Mongo the Destroyer said:

Apr 3, 2020 1:45:44 GMT -5 Steele said:

And Mongo, if it's you then by God this is going to become Jackson Steele's XXXHF Network so fucking fast but this time it won't be a prank.

Noted

Though having you more active makes me wish I was scum

That is quite the united front.

First, based on the number of deaths - it doesn’t seem like we have a protector. That’s why I’m at a loss for roles certain people can be - like janitor.

Here’s the thing - Mav has been caught in a lie. Why would he claim to be a Vigilante? If he was scum, or if he was a role that looked scummish and could go either way like roll blocker. Steele has claimed to be currently suffering from that. It’s a fair guess that Mav is that roll.  They can’t both be scum, but they might both be town.  So is our roll blocker town or scum? Well he felt the need to sabotage Steele, but the next morning found another dead body - and suddenly doesn’t have scum vibes on Steele.  

Note that an attempted block on Caffrey night 2 - when the little guy wasn’t in his room, would also explain away the “sense of dread” Caff experienced with Steele, clearinng at least that charge.  As no one could be bothered to bring up night actions they experienced, only Mav will know this for sure.

He might just be setting up an alibi for Kanyon when Mav rolls scum, but do we honestly think that both the guy with the sword and guy with the giant spider are the killers?  That would be so obvious as to make h2f the best mafia host ever, seriously; we used the reverse of this to vote off Nausicaa who couldn't be town because no one would suspect the ice cream machine that was loved. It was also proposed that the Photoshop had to be scum because that couldn't be used for good and let's not forget the proposal that the gun owner was scum because guns are dangerous. The fact that this is so predictable and yet I totally missed it made it not predictable. I should have known because of my ability and the fact that I pointed out in this post that I caught Mav in a lie. It is always a bad idea to imply something bad about the mod because they might edit your post, and I’ve been enjoying my Doc Brown cosplay too much to believe that’s of her.

Meanwhile all of Steele’s lengthy reads are predicated on Mongo being town based solely on voting with him (keep in mind Mav basically buried himself with that DT claim before Mongo voted for him, and while mongo likes perfect scum wins, he’s not above creating an alibi when the writings on the wall).  I’m not sure if caff’s sense of dread is to be trusted, having said that Steele DID vote Caff off when he brought up having a check, but BeFORE Caff fingered Steele (everyone but me saw to Caff’s lynching before we could discuss it - a trend).  If Mongo is town, then Steele is doing him no favours, as the argument has been obviously propping the two up, and led to both Kanyon and myself having suspicions of both of you.  The two have been playing at Penn & Teller - with Mongo basically clamming up after the Mav vote, except for the exchange above - which READs like scum in-jokes.  The only question is if both of them are in on the joke.

Steele encouraged Kanyon to vote Mongo, an empty gesture that distances the two (the only one of the day).  Mongo also offers himself up, and it’s suggested he’s a bomb.

Mongo might well be town and a bomb.

but he’s not both.

Vote: Mongo

***This post has been edited due to implying the mod is bad. Just for this, you die! (jk, it was a random number generator based on vote order of who voted for Mongo and your number just happened to come up)***

[Mav.]

It makes no sense that you STILL believe me to be scum. How many fucking times do I have to tell you that IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO WORK WITH A ROLEBLOCKER AND A VIGILANTE! IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL FUCKING RULE!

I hate to burst your bubbles but if you decide to kill me, and I'm town. The game ends and you're all fucked. Mongo's offering himself up but for what purpose? This is only to bait out scum to jump on in and take what he's put down onto the table, and of course, Mosler jumps right on in for that offer at a piece.

[Steele]

Mav your argument is weak AF. Just because a roleblocker exists doesn’t automatically clear you as town.

You’re the only one left who features in both of the possible scum teams. The hardest thing is figuring for sure who your partner is.

Mosler is convinced Mongo is scum but I’m baffled by that logic.

Once again:

If it’s Mongo and Mav, then you have to believe that Mongo bussed as literally the first thing he did today.

If its Mongo and Kanyon, Kanyon would have voted Mav and they’d have won.

If it’s Mongo and Mosler, then Mosler would have voted Mav and they’d have won.

If it’s me and Mongo we would have both switched to Kanyon and we’d have won.

I am not scum for similar reasons. I could have won already if I was teamed with Kanyon, Mongo or Mosler, and if I’m teamed with Mav then why did I put him within one vote of death?

This leaves Mav, Mosler and Kanyon as the ONLY people who need something to change from the current standings OR ride out a no lynch to win.

Mav isn’t with me or Mongo for reasons I explained above. He might be with Mosler or Kanyon.

Mosler isn’t with me, Mongo or Kanyon because once again - Mosler could have hammered a townie Mav to get the win. Only possible partner for Mos is Maverick.

Kanyon isn’t with me, Mongo or Mosler because he could have hammered town Mav for the win. His only possible partner is Maverick.

Do I have to explain it further?

Its Maverick and Kanyon, or Maverick and Mosler.