U-Mad Inventor’s Faire [Over]

[mosler]

Quick question for those more Mafia learned than myself: As H2F has stated we only have one invention which only does one thing...

Other than kill a single person, what would a Vigilante be doing the rest of the time?

Incidentally flux capacitor makes me as close as the town has to cop.

What does photoshop make you?

And when Kanyon joins this - what does a giant spider make him?

[mosler]

I have no problem with anyone knowing it... as at this point, either we get this lynch correctly or lose, and I may be murdered in the night but someone will anyway.

I’m just hoping Kanyon decides to continue this conversation instead of immediately ending the day with a Mav vote.

[Steele]

I’d rather you hadn’t said anything about your role, it gives Mafia too much information.

I’m not going to reveal my role, if my theory is right and you’re town (and telling the truth) I want scum to have to make a choice - kill the “close to cop” or kill the unknown. Which is worth more to them dead? If I declare now, and they know both our roles, then their choice between me and you gets easier.

[mosler]

Honestly Steele, the only shot Town has at winning this is figuring out who both scum are right now - as you’ve all proven to have abysmal reads (based on the current body count). So figuring out who both scum are now is statically more likely to yield a town win - even if you’re better than cop role gets you more heat.

Right now I know that you and Mav aren’t BOTH scum. One is. The only question is which.

[Steele]

Apr 2, 2020 13:03:50 GMT -5 mosler said:

Honestly Steele, the only shot Town has at winning this is figuring out who both scum are right now - as you’ve all proven to have abysmal reads (based on the current body count). So figuring out who both scum are now is statically more likely to yield a town win - even if you’re better than cop role gets you more heat.

Right now I know that you and Mav aren’t BOTH scum. One is. The only question is which.

Is... is that a slip of the tongue Mr Mosler? Why do you refer to Town as “You”?

I agree that figuring out both scum is paramount, but we’re very limited in smoking guns right now.

As much as I have suspicions on all four of you, Kanyon and Maverick are my top two. Kanyon’s suspicions mainly hinged on him being aligned with Hype and the fact that I read you and Mongo as more towny than him.

HOWEVER, after that post from Mav where he voted Kanyon, I feel this is the best smoking gun I have. Considering Maverick started the day wanting to know the skinny on ME, him switching to Kanyon out of the blue after I put heat on him incriminates Kanyon IMO. Why not come back at me? If Mav has such a “lock” on Kanyon why didn’t he do ANYTHING about it earlier? It looks like Mav is throwing his scum buddy under the bus in an attempt to look more towny by “discovering” scum.

Mav claimed Vigilante and he had holes poked in his claim, and then he flailed away from those who were probing. That to me is the most damning piece of evidence against BOTH of them.

Fuck, I might be wrong. But this is the conclusion I’ve come to.

[Steele]

Oh and I’m not withholding my ability because I’m suggesting it’s better than cop.

I just *might* be. I could be vanilla, I could be a hated townie, I might be a commuter, I might be a flying pumpkin that shoots lasers out of its ass (that’s a real role BTW)

Point is IF you are truly town and IF we can take out one scum today then tonight, they have no idea which one of us is worth more dead. If I reveal my role now, they can weigh up which one of us is the better kill.

[h2f]

Apr 2, 2020 12:47:33 GMT -5 mosler said:

Quick question for those more Mafia learned than myself: As H2F has stated we only have one invention which only does one thing...

Other than kill a single person, what would a Vigilante be doing the rest of the time?

Incidentally flux capacitor makes me as close as the town has to cop.

What does photoshop make you?

And when Kanyon joins this - what does a giant spider make him?

Just to quickly clarify... scum killing 1 a night is not an invention ability. Worried that might not have been clear.

[mosler]

Or you could come up with a claim, we could figure out why caffrey got a sense of dread from you - which would clear you, and go a long way towards figuring out the other three’s roles. Certainly improves the remaining towns chances tomorrow.

[Steele]

Honestly Mos, I don’t know what was going on with that feeling of dread.

I’m absolutely not claiming though, I’ve said my piece on it. I could literally say anything - if I lie then it’s no good to town anyway and if I tell the truth 1. Everyone thinks I’m scum because like I said ages ago my power looks scummy AF and 2. Scum know all the town powers and can choose their NK accordingly. I’m leaving the last shred of doubt as to whether I’m worth killing or not.

You seem to be VERY interested in my power now though. I had you down as town before but this is starting to get a bit hairy.


I started to write this before you posted, but for what it’s worth, my take on all the possible combinations of scum.


MAV-KANYON
Most likely. Mav flailed and voted Kanyon when this possible pairing came under pressure. Mav looked scummy enough already, this looks like a desperation bus to buy Towny points.

MAV-MOSLER
Possible. Mosler could POSSIBLY be stalling for time but he’s not pressing that hard to turn pressure to me, Kanyon or Mongo when Mav could die at any second. Very keen on knowing mine and Kanyon’s powers which is starting to become worrying.

KANYON-MONGO
Plausible. Mongo COULD be lying about his invention. The fact that what he’s claimed lined up nicely with his actual invention leads me to think Mongo is most likely town.

MOSLER-KANYON
MOSLER-MONGO
Both unlikely. Mosler could have hammered Mav by now and then won overnight.

MAV-MONGO
Very unlikely. Mongo has already called out Mav and voted for him. It would be a VERY ballsy move to cut the scum team in half at this stage of the game with no reason. If there was already pressure on Mav then I could maybe see it, but Mongo started on Mav before I did.

[mosler]

My interest is in figuring out both scum today - so tomorrow is a formality town win rather than a second guess regardless of my being there to see it.

So Kanyon - Mav is most likely lying about being a vigilante, but that doesn’t necessarily make him scum - just as paranoid as Steele when it comes to divulging claims. My gut has been Mongo (who’s tell is doubling down on his character, which was kind of glaring this game based on how excessively enthusiastic he worked the mouse trap - and Hype’s murder, with that colour gun being pretty crap - the only reason to off him before an unknown would be his perpetual pointing at Mongo) & Steele (who is apparently known for paying close attention to details, but happily jumped on the Nausicca & Caff trains without really caring about how thin they were - and is currently role blocked but apparently not worth killing). Neither have bothered to try to get any insights as to my various actions that might help shed light on anything.

I am hoping your open to discussion before randomly voting with them.

[Curtis D. Kanyon]

Well, quite the conundrum. I was all ready to vote Hype and he's already gone. 'Tis quite vexing this fine mess we seem to be in. I thought Caff was alluding to being cop, which is why I joined him in voting for the Ice Cream Queen. Then, I voted against him for feeling betrayed and lied to, and I was not the only to feel that way as the next time I came by, he was already murdered. But I saw the red check remark when reviewing the day, thinking at the time he was trying to double down on the lie. But then he turned out to be town? So why lie? Twice at that?

As has been the case, while our inventions are very cool, they seem to have very little bearing on the actual power. So I think Mongo maybe sorta claiming to maybe be a bomb is credible, but not a guarantee based on the invention alone. So I agree with Steele, even though he's seemingly evil, that explaining what that power is at this point is not great, because whoever survives to the next day should we get to it, gives the scum major advantage on picking who to deal with.

Steele - has a claim of a red check from a member that turned up town after death. Claims leaving him alive is what scum would want to do, which makes sense. But if he is scum, then he's also left alive anyway. Kind of ignored that fact and focused his attention on questioning everyone else pretty hard. Scummy - high.

Mav - Immediately jumped on Steele. Claims to be able to kill as not scum. Had no idea this was a power, but would make sense in a small game. When cornered, randomly voted me. Probably because I wanted to finger him if Nausicaa was scum? That's the only thing I can think of why he would be against me? Also, may be constantly high and paranoid? Scummy - medium.

Mongo - Alludes to being a passive power. Jumps on Mav train. Steele interprets as bomb claim. Mongo's been on the scum spectrum by nearly everyone this whole game, but hasn't really done anything in my eyes that seem too scummy or too towny, playing this much straighter than normal. Scummy - low.

Mosler - Stopped calling everyone by scientific name, which to me is akin to Kurt Angle taking off his singlet shoulders, AKA time to get serious. Has seemed town to me, but his wordplay always mesmerizes. Wanting to know all the powers is worrying, but maybe it's a certain play he's going for? Town - medium

This time is the time to make the big calls. I don't like Mav targeting me all willy nilly, but I don't want to revenge vote and half hazardly murder him and cause us to lose if my choice is wrong. Please Mav, explain to me why I'm so evil all of a sudden? Plus, Mongo hasn't said too much yet this day either. I'm going to give them more time to talk, hopefully one of them hang themselves. One of you two is getting my vote tomorrow. Also, it gives my vote some time to explain why we shouldn't believe the red check of a town that he seems to be ignoring?

Vote: Steele

[mosler]

The more I think about that: Caff’s sense of dread could be related to a reveal that he wasn’t suppose to get with his character.

I.E. Caff spies on Kuroi
Kuroi is asleep.
Bobby comes in to strangle Kuroi
...Caff’s Action entitles him to know if Kuroi is up to something, but if kuroi does nothing that’s all he’s getting, not the Bobby reveal.

Which explains how he misinterpreted an earlier suspect. Second alternative is that Kuroi is somehow booby trapped, and further inspection would have led to a misfire. Also sense of dread. But if that booby trap scenario was legit, I think Kuroi would call out Ryan for claiming booby trap. We can’t all be booby traps, can we?

The X question then becomes: Is Kuroi the threat or was he under threat? And if he was under threat, how did he survive? Of course in that scenario, Kuroi thwarted a Mafia hit on night 2 with his mysterious powers, and Dylan actually was killed by Rat who is a legit vigilante. Unfortunately the only person who can figure that out is Kuroi.

Not sure if it was clear ( ): I used other board members names for everyone but Caff in that scenario, let me know if you have a hard time figuring out who you all are respectively.

[mosler]

Or if beyond Booby trap, is a stone cold killer. Also sense of dread, but I’d rather look at it from the first two options first.

[Steele]

Apr 2, 2020 19:14:44 GMT -5 Curtis D. Kanyon said:

Also, it gives my vote some time to explain why we shouldn't believe the red check of a town that he seems to be ignoring?

Vote: Steele

I'm not ignoring it. I've acknowledged it several times. It's the reason I voted Caff, because a "red check" on me is impossible.

Caff downgraded that "red check" to "a sense of dread" eventually. And if you look at his role, you'll know that Hider is NOT an investigative role.

So to everyone who is pushing this line of reasoning I ask this in return; how does a non-investigative role return an investigation result?

Mosler posted a rather confusingly-worded theory that Caff was watching me when someone else came by the room; I don't think that's possible. I suffered no effects that night, roleblocker, colourspeak, vigilante, nightkill, whatever... and anything that happened to me *would have happened to Caff too.*

A major part of Caff's role is that *he cannot be targeted* when he hides. You know what I think is the most likely explanation? Someone tried to target him, most likely the roleblocker. His "feeling of dread" could have been the feeling that somebody was in *his* room while he was away.

So does that answer the question a little more?

Anyway, the scum hunt. From the posts you guys have made last night and this morning, it looks a little bit like Mosler is trying to protect Mav and Kanyon is trying to protect Mosler. Bah. You can't ALL be scum.

Mosler trying to protect Mav is plausible as a scum team, Kanyon and Mosler together is not though. Unless you guys are monumentally stupid. IMO the only possible scum teams are MAV/CDK, MAV/MOS, MTD/CDK.

You'll notice Maverick is listed there twice, as is Kanyon. My predicament arises from the fact that even though Mav and Kanyon are both high suspicion, there's still a slight chance that it's Mongo or Mosler. Let's look through the possibilities.

Flip Mav: If he's scum then it's Mosler or Kanyon. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon.

Flip Kanyon: If scum then it's Mav or Mongo. If town it's Mosler or Mav.

Flip Mosler: If scum, it's Mav. If town, it's Mongo and Kanyon OR Mav and Kanyon.

Flip Mongo: If he's scum then it's Kanyon. If he's town it's Mav and Mosler OR Mav and Kanyon.

So you'll see that no matter where I vote, there's still uncertainty. Killing a scum Mosler or Mongo means we find the other scum for sure tomorrow (as they only have one likely scum partner each) BUT it carries the most risk if they're town as it leaves two possible scum teams open.

Killing a scum Mav or Kanyon still leaves uncertainty over the scum buddy, but it clears Mongo or Mosler respectively, and we also have tomorrow to hunt down the last scum.

A mislynch finishes us. I get that, I understand the pressure to try and identify scum now. But the more we talk about it the closer we get to a deadline no-lynch which is equally as bad. Mongo, as far as I can see, is *most likely* to be town out of you four. Not dead cert, he's a slippery sonofabitch and could still be lying, but he's most likely.

Take that into consideration though, and my most viable options are:

MAV-KANYON

MAV-MOSLER

Maverick is in both of those teams. That's why my vote stops there. At this point, we aren't going to get any more pertinent information unless a scum just stands up and admits it. This is as close as I can get right now. It's not ideal, but it's better than just delaying until day ends.

And Mongo, if it's you then by God this is going to become Jackson Steele's XXXHF Network so fucking fast but this time it won't be a prank.

[Mongo the Destroyer]

Apr 3, 2020 1:45:44 GMT -5 Steele said:

And Mongo, if it's you then by God this is going to become Jackson Steele's XXXHF Network so fucking fast but this time it won't be a prank.

Noted

Though having you more active makes me wish I was scum :thinking: