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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jul 4, 2022 1:50:14 GMT -5
Given it's a holiday weekend I'm not being too strict about activity but I will prod people to move this along.
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Post by Adrien on Jul 5, 2022 9:47:05 GMT -5
Work has been crazy this weekend and yesterday due to our 4th of July sale so I’ll do a more meaningful post to state my case after work today. But this is not an empty post. Because if Rat was a miller and Kris was a remaining mafia jailkeeper or faked one as a roleblocker, she would have hammered me. I know she isn’t a werewolf because I checked her last night. Occum’s razor means it has to be Rat.
Vote: Rat
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Post by RattyMcDaddy on Jul 5, 2022 16:47:25 GMT -5
It all comes down to Kris.
I'm just saying you've been called on suspect play all game, and what better way for a wolf to hide then as being a "wolf hunter", especially one that found no wolf's. Add in the made up drama between you and the other wolf, Hype, and you have a perfectly placed Ade scheme to win a game.
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Post by Adrien on Jul 5, 2022 20:03:06 GMT -5
Ohhh, but Ratty... I DID find one!! Or do you not remember? I'm going to go ahead and hammer away. Also... why did I get a werewolf result on Rat? You a miller of some sort, Ratty?Vote: DunneAnd you replied to my red check mark on you with... I am. Being a transexual, woman of color, sex worker, people often confuse me for a werewolf all the time. And I would have found you earlier had Kris not jailkept me early on, which honestly... I'm fine with since it helped clear me from that point on. But now you want to claim that you are a miller that shows up as a false positive for werewolf in a game with all these vanilla roles... and then say there isn't someone who has the ability to check for werewolves. As for someone on my case... let's take a look at some of Rat's posts in this game. The Adrian train in a day one tradition. A day one Adrien train to this size is not abnormal... but it's with a far larger player base. Agreed, but what is abnormal is Adrians reaction to the train, he is usually losing his shit right about now. That's something to remember. Ah yes, the "agitate Adrien" strategy that HYPE admitted to using later on in the game. Hype says it was to get a read on me. Clearly it was to try to make me voteable. But here you are, encouraging it along. Scum Ade would be losing his mind. Town Ade would be like, whatever. I don't know which Ade we have here, hence my vote stays. Now this makes sense to me. He didn't vote for himself like he usually does, and he isn't freaking out. Dude is acting suspect to me right out of the gate. All about trying to poke poke poke til I get upset. Robbie told me this wasn't happening, but I see you and Hype were acting completely in cohesion. I'll put my Vote on Kuroi He is doing his best to deflect people from Ade. This looks wonderful in hindsight. SLIGHTLY LONG MOSLER POST This seems like as good of a spot to start. He said Hype is his only known town, most roles that have a town known to them have some type of power. It appears that Steve and Mosler over played the hand they were dealt. Now that we have some very maybe why it happened lets figure out the whos Trying to keep heat off Hype... After catching up, and reviewing, VOTE ADRIAN He hasn't been his normal self, and no one mentioned werewolf before he pointed it out. FOS on H2F for being cool with asking are his role, but not cool with Ade doing the same. Your whole strategy was "Adrien isn't losing his shit because he's scum" yet you are one of the first people to freak out when I mentioned there's a werewolf in the midst. And by freak out, I mean immediately vote for me after I revealed it. Hype was the other main culprit uncomfortable with me revealing this info. It's strange how you two keep ending up being intertwined like this. Vote: RatThe only reason why you would be reacting this way to me saying that a werewolf MAULED someone to death is if you didn't want that information being public. I reacted that way because if this is from your role PM you could have at least hinted and crammed something day one when there was a train on you to get the train to stop, instead you waiter til day 2, and are doing it to stop a train from forming on you again. Oh wow, I came to that conclusion back then. Hence why I wanted to check you when Kris jailkept me. Funny how I straight up tell the world I was targeting you, two people ended up dead, I was completely blocked without knowing it was a jailkeeping, and you're STILL making a nonsense case on me. Kuroi voted for me, I vote for Kuroi. Seriously, I don’t know about that Adrien vote. On the one hand, voting Adrian is a great way to know what his role said. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s acting scummy. Maybe wolffish? Honest the fact the Kuroi will not answer my question is sus. Like at least I got an answer from Adrian. I’m not look for your role, I’m looking for a specific role that may be you. Totally different things. Given I’ve got nothing else to go on and he voted for me, Vote Kuroi. Adrian hasn't been acting scummy? Maybe not scummy per say, but definitely very un-Adrian like. No self vote, no freak out in the train, and then claims his role has a werewolf in it before anyone else even mentioned mauled or could discuss. This is not town Adrian I've ever seen. Unrelated noted: The main reason I was completely happy to hammer H2F is because I didn't like how willing she was to just sacrifice a player in a game this small just to see the role PM. It felt scummy with the numbers being what they were. Back to Rat though, your entire case is still that Adrien is trying to improve upon the things that upset other players. Still. That was your case. And HYPE'S case on me. On second thought, I can't get behind this. UNVOTE You've been protected Ade both days. My vite was on you yesterday, let's go back to that. VOTE KUROI Again, loving this in hindsight. LONG ROBBIE POST BUT LOL AT ARGUING WITH A COP Having until the 18th is just going to allow this to drag out until the last day, but that allows for more information to come out. At least there are some crumbs being left here and there at this point, and that is by far better than day one. Kuroi, white knighting or not, and waiting to discover Ade is scum, like your implying is a dangerous game. Unless your doing it to protect him as your scum partner, I really don't see the benefit of it when others have pointed out clear signs. You see, you kept trying to play this game that you had to act as if your accusations on me are fact. Complete logical fallacy, I have to admit. Had I flipped town earlier in this game, what happens to all your arguments? "Oh, I was wrong, let's get back to square one!" but man, you were pushing Kuroi as hard as you were me. I've been there before, Adrien. That's kind of why I find it annoying. Pretty sure your the one waiting to kill him. This is typical Kuroi scum play, rub up to you, get a safe claim because he actually didn't do the kill, and then sympathise with you before you die. I have more fun with him when he plays this way vs. When he is town and rarely interacts. Lol in hindsight. In this post, you make it sound like Kuroi is evil and I'm town. Because he wasn't just roleblocked. I know that much for a fact. Can we get more clarification then that? And still trying to sell me as evil as best you can until... uh oh, Kris did a thing. And now you gotta question what's going on here!! I've posted generally once every 24 hours, I wouldn't say that's seldom for a gently paced game as this is. Anyway - Rat why Dunne over Hype? Curious. Not saying you're defending him but to me both have enough question marks over them. Would like to hear from Dunne but conscious he could hammer Hype and make me look like a right idiot (Although I'm 1-1 on gut feelings in this game...and Adrien never got voted out so it doesn't feel like a loss) - but based on that I'll UNVOTE until we've heard from Dunne - but I'll hammer the train I've started if needs be. Dunne has been non-voting, throwing fingers, and wild accusations at you for reasons 1 and 2. His scum hunting has been "my gut tells me", and then wings out on you who has been playing with a town lean. His reasoning is even off by Dunne standards. He was the only one of us, minus Kris, who did not vote on the H2F train, but could have best Ade to the hammer at any point. While kris didn't vote, she has good reason, and have been providing information that seems useful and helping with town. We have had one day with no lynch, and a scum lynch day 2, where his only involvement was voting you. While hype maybe suspect in his aggressiveness, I appreciate aggressiveness, and it is usually why Kuroi and I bump heads. Hype was on the H2F train early, leaving the Ade train when other info seemed to be brought against her by Kuroi. Yes, he did go back after Ade, but I get the reasoning, Ade provides a lot of info that no one else but him seems to have such as werewolf, and not claiming to know that there are two scum and one wolf, and that they all attacked Kuroi, when I personally see no information saying that. Hype and I are feeling slightly the same in our Ade reads, so if I'm reading that and I know I'm town, I feel he is the same too. I'm not opposed to Hype over Dunne, but like I said, let's not make this about the last 2 days of the game, and the bad blood built, let's make this descion over what information we have right now after those 2 days. Just something worth noting in this quote... My suspicion of two scum and one werewolf is completely based on how to create a balanced game. Any more evils than that, and the game would have been unbalanced. And I know Reck is a straight shooter when it comes to creating a balanced game and he's usually the one I let make sure my games are balanced. I have no concrete reason to believe it other than just that I know what Reck should have done and probably did do to make the game. No need to defend yourself, Ade, I was just pointing out something that has been pointed out before. We're good, bro. Technically, I was wrong on this. I thought it was 2 scum/1 WW. This is why I kept using words like "assume" "believe" or "suspicion". Sorry Rat, just saw this reply. I am simply using my knowledge of how to build a mafia game from a moderator standpoint to make sure the game is fair and balanced. Sharing that information gives the town more info to go on to help us solve the game. I get that, but it also leads us down a path of what if it isn't what you say, and we both know there are games where it is not like anyone ever ever ever thinks. So using what information you think you have, opposed to what information we actually have, and the facts that we know, over what "I, you, or a reasonable Mod should do" is a dangerous game to play. Sharing information is always the best policy in mafia. I thought this was a philosophical debate, but I'm now wondering if this was you planting the seeds of doubt for me. And finally... Careful action indeed. You have played a masterful game, Ade. The arguments with Hype, the extra potent "everyone is picking on me claim", and the call back to being a sensor, but tweaking it just enough to make it " wolf checker". Bravo, my good man. The gig is up though, and Little Red Rat Riding Hood is calling your bluff, big bad wolf. Vote-Ade So are you not a miller for wolves like you admitted in that previous post? If you are, how the hell did I randomly guess that you would turn up a false positive if I'm faking my role? How the hell did I fake a role that doesn't exist that would give a false positive on the ONE player who would give a red check mark on... for a role that you are now claiming doesn't exist. Are you trying to say I won the fake-claim lottery? What the hell are the odds that I would fake a wolf check AND YOU WOULD BE THE MILLER FOR IT?! Unless... you were lying. Unless, you're not a miller and the red checkmark I got on you is because you are, legitimately, the big bad wolf. Occum's Razor, once more, Ratty. The simplest explanation is the most likely to be true. Either A, B, C, D, AND E had to happen for me to reach this very circumstance as a non-town player... or you're simply a caught wolf who lied about being a miller because you knew that your time was coming short and now you have to discredit the man who got the red check on you. Either way, let this be a lesson for you. Don't leave me alive this long when I'm town because I will solve the game at some point. And since you want to talk about you being on my case? Vote: RatThe only reason why you would be reacting this way to me saying that a werewolf MAULED someone to death is if you didn't want that information being public. This isn't town Hype. Town Hype isn't the kind of person who sits there and tries to force a case on someone on day three. He's logical, calculated, and let's the information come to him. No, this Hype has been push, push, pushing and is tunnelvisioned as fuck on his target. He doesn't play the WIFOM game as town, but he absolutely does it as scum. And he isn't going to try to whine about a late vote THAT STILL COUNTED to help out scum? So tell me Hype... werewolf or mafia roleblocker? I disagree with Robbie, I think he absolutely could be the werewolf. He was one of the people who freaked out the most when I mentioned the werewolf firstly. SECRETTTT TUNNNNEELLLLL!! SECREETTTT TUNNNELLLLLLL!! THROUGH THE MOUNTAINSSSS!! SECRET SECRET TUNNNELLLLL!!!!! Wait, wrong animated show. Vote: HypeI nailed you two. Early, early on. I started to trust you when we knew you weren't scum and Hype flipped WW but clearly I was wrong about there only being one. Kris do the right thing, the simple thing, the easy thing. He is either lying through his teeth or I was astronomically lucky to have faked a role that isn't in the game, faked a red check on someone who says they are a miller for a checker that isn't in the game. Vote Rat and end this game.
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Post by Kris on Jul 5, 2022 21:36:38 GMT -5
While that long post is... definitely a thing, you didn't need to do that, Adrien. You were the first one to mention werewolves, something you sure as shit wouldn't have done if you were one. Add how Rat was jailkept and there wouldn't have been a kill without Robbie's error and...
Vote: Rat
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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jul 6, 2022 12:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jul 6, 2022 12:50:39 GMT -5
Game's over! Big shout out to honestly the Vanilla Townies, who were smart enough to draw kills on themselves to let the power roles do their thing. Huge huge power moves. Thanks all for bearing with me on this -- the last week or so I hit some crazy scheduling conflicts, as well as a killer injury that left me unable to really get to my computer very often, so I appreciate the patience. The idea behind this setup was to run multiball. I wanted to design a setup that was mostly vanilla, but still put enough kill pressure on the game that going no elimination would be a very risky move. Here's the setup/night action grid. Scum doubling up on the Kuroi kill gave town the breathing room they needed, though I also think the no kill N3 was sort of risky, especially with an investigative role breathing down the neck of scum. I think this was mostly balanced? Swingy as all hell, obviously, because scum could easily shoot each other and swing the game completely, but honestly I really do put a lot of this on excellent play by Steve, Kuroi, and mosler early to draw scum's attention away from the real targets. Funny enough, had Ratty actually killed on N3 instead of no killing, Werewolf team would've won this game by a hair.
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Post by IMMORTALS on Jul 6, 2022 13:49:54 GMT -5
Awesome game! Considering how many vanilla players we had there was a lot of action. I agree with you on the no-kill N3 (c'mon Ratty, kill Adrien for me!) but it was still a close fight. I'm surprised me and Rat got so far tbh.
Also kudos to Kris and Ade, I haven't lost a game as scum in like 5-6 games now, so nice work bussin me.
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Jul 6, 2022 19:34:49 GMT -5
I agree. Great game. I feel like everyone played well in relation to their experience.
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Post by RattyMcDaddy on Jul 6, 2022 21:10:18 GMT -5
Awesome game! Considering how many vanilla players we had there was a lot of action. I agree with you on the no-kill N3 (c'mon Ratty, kill Adrien for me!) but it was still a close fight. I'm surprised me and Rat got so far tbh. Also kudos to Kris and Ade, I haven't lost a game as scum in like 5-6 games now, so nice work bussin me. That non kill was my fatal flaw, but I was hoping they would think there were no more wolves and then The scum went and got caught, and ruined my plan. Fun times though boys and gal.
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Post by IMMORTALS on Jul 6, 2022 21:17:37 GMT -5
Awesome game! Considering how many vanilla players we had there was a lot of action. I agree with you on the no-kill N3 (c'mon Ratty, kill Adrien for me!) but it was still a close fight. I'm surprised me and Rat got so far tbh. Also kudos to Kris and Ade, I haven't lost a game as scum in like 5-6 games now, so nice work bussin me. That non kill was my fatal flaw, but I was hoping they would think there were no more wolves and then The scum went and got caught, and ruined my plan. Fun times though boys and gal. All good, hindsight is a bitch. Rat & Hype, the dynamic duo. We'll get em next game!
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Post by Kris on Jul 6, 2022 21:55:45 GMT -5
I'm surprised I didn't get taken out, TBH.
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mosler
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Mosler's not here man.
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Post by mosler on Jul 6, 2022 22:00:37 GMT -5
Good game all, fun set-up Seth.
Let this be a lesson....
Dunne can be scum too.
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Post by RattyMcDaddy on Jul 7, 2022 1:24:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised I didn't get taken out, TBH. I tried, but you jailed me.
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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jul 8, 2022 3:25:57 GMT -5
Good game all, fun set-up Seth. Let this be a lesson.... Dunne can be scum too. the MOST important lesson!
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