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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on May 6, 2018 23:26:00 GMT -5
From a scientific standpoint, there's two main different stances currently on the development of humanity.
One group claims that all of the current human populace can trace their ancestry out of the Africa-Middle East region from a single human ancestor. This is the camp that contains the "mitochondrial Eve" people.
Another group posits that the various people groups share a common primate ancestor, but the various human groups have come from different primate bases. This is what was posited by Darwin in one of his less famous books.
I grew up with an encyclopedia set from the 60's (Kennedy was still alive in them, lol) and in those it was very clear that we had come from different primate backgrounds. Furthermore it was clear that in such a case certain people groups were clearly more advanced racially than others.
Now as a Bible-believing Christian I obviously adhere to what Scripture says; which is that all humanity came from two people- and then later a single family during a flood-based populous bottle-neck. To that end I can't really make any claim of one group of humans to be more advanced racially than others because we're all one race just with some (or many) cultural differences- since our ancestors were normal people. So this puts me in the first group for this subject.
I don't wanna stir stuff up, so if this is an uncomfortable topic by all means steer clear; and if somebody has an opinion that is vastly different from yours it's theirs to have and not yours to shoot down. I just wanted to get a feel for where everyone else is at. Like I said, I was educated from 60's encyclopedias I'd read when I was bored, but it's likely we all had different education backgrounds based on our ages and cultures. Anyway, I was just curious where- from your background and understanding- your opinions sit on this subject.
Again, if it gets real toxic in here I'll just close things up right away. We're not here to judge or insult; just understand. Y'ALL HEAR?
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 7, 2018 15:15:27 GMT -5
This is interesting... I don't know which thing is right, weather that be adam and eve or we're all coming from an ape in africa. I heard from somewhere and a theory somewhere that all humans actually come from different planets or something. Like for example all white people come from like mars all black people come from pluto or something like that. That sounds a little far fetched to me though.
I'm not sure where we as human beings came from but i don't think we all came from one or even two apes or "humans". That would in turn mean we're all incestuous and also wouldn't that mean there shouldn't be any genetic diversity at all either? Again not sure where we come from or how we got here, but it had to of been a decent sized group that eventually grew and spread throughout the planet through land bridges and probably hunting migrations and stuff.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on May 8, 2018 8:57:39 GMT -5
Well I mean with more advanced species there is a lower limit of population where that population is viable since interbreeding with close relatives causes too many deleterious mutations over time. Humans I wanna say is in the hundreds of thousands due to the complexity of the human machine. With primitive species and especially asexual reproducers this isn't a problem. The logical answer is the species as we know it (homo sapiens sapiens) is a result of 2 populations, both which arose from one primitive primate ancestor. We know humans evolved down multiple lines but our current species is a single one. However DNA shows that some portions of the population have high neanderthal (one of those extinct evolution lines) interbreeding. Suggesting before they diverged so much as to be completely non-viable (like a tiger and a cheetah) some of the human ancestors (homo erectus or one of that area) was still capable of mating with homo neanderthalis (like tigers and lions) and some of the offspring were non-sterile. However since neanderthals and humans arose from the same primate ancestor in the African jungles generations back, it depends how you want to look at it, does that count as a mitochondrial Eve scenario or is it multiple populations? Regardless all primates have that minimum viable population which implies that each species likely arose out of a NUMBER of the previous evolutionary line and they existed together (since a few traits/genes determine when a species has become it's own species, look at the finches which were all different species but could still interbreed on the Galapagos). So a few of the ancestor developed the traits to become a new species and it proved advantagous so they likely interbred with the originals and caused more and more of the children to have the new traits and eventually they separated and the ancestor would die off (or produce new mutations which became the other lines of proto-humans. Off course this all neglects the affect Dinobot had when he saved the ancestors of all humanity from Megatron and his Predacons so ya know.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on May 8, 2018 8:59:15 GMT -5
Oh and "more evolved" is a hard thing to quantify on complex species as it implies "superiority". I prefer "differently evolved" since any species existing today is the result of MILLENIA of evolution doing what it needed to make such awesome creatures as the blue whale, humanity, great white sharks, or the ADORABLE baby bunny playing in my back yard with its cardinal friends! IT'S SO FRACKING CUTE I WANT IT I WANT IT
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 8, 2018 14:56:08 GMT -5
That makes some sense i guess... especially the dinobot and megatron part. But... my real question is where did and how did life come about on earth? it couldn't just be like *BOOM!* it's here, right? at least that doesn't make scientific or logical sense; at least to me. Anyway this has gotten me to think of even more things and question even more things out there. Dang you! and thank you! for making me think and my brain hurt!
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Post by IMMORTALS on May 8, 2018 17:52:29 GMT -5
Nevermind people, what REALLY blows my mind is that the universe is limitless, like, impossible to reach the sides if it even has any. But now they claim it's expanding...like, what?? How does something become even more limitless??
Anyway space is like an insane ex. Yeah it was fun at first but after a while it just becomes too much to handle or comprehend, and you start crying thinking about how its never going away. But damn...its still sexy af. So whether we came from fish, apes or an apple one thing is very clear...we aint alone. What other tricks has this 'God' got up his sleeve! What other rocks does he have people growing on! I for one want to know!
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 8, 2018 18:00:34 GMT -5
what i really want to know is how did the universe come into existence. and how did what ever make the universe come into existence? Are we a simulation like the sims?
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Post by IMMORTALS on May 8, 2018 18:16:27 GMT -5
what i really want to know is how did the universe come into existence. and how did what ever make the universe come into existence? Are we a simulation like the sims? Asking the real questions here. Something that's always stuck with me is the ending of Men In Black (first one), where it zooms out from Earth through space, through the Galaxy and into the Universe, keeps zooming out...then suddenly it shows how we are just a cluster of shiny stuff inside of some alien kids marbles. I mean...it's totally possible. If Lisa could grow a civilization from a tooth in the Simpsons, we could easily be marble people. And if God exists, then he definitely puts people on other planets too. So really the big question to ask...is our Universe the only one?
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Post by Kira Izumi on May 8, 2018 18:18:35 GMT -5
I strongly believe in the multiverse theory! i try to research and look up stuff about it when i can and am working on a theory for it my self,haha
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on May 9, 2018 22:13:15 GMT -5
Universe beginnings are foggy since we can't really observe anything to prove anything, we have clues but nothing concrete. Life however is a little clearer, not certain ... but it's been proven in the conditions of the forming earth with the chemicals that were around, and the lightning storms the Earth was always under that RNA - a molecule capable of self replicating and the likely source of the first "living" ... things? Not cells yet ... organisms ... could actually spontaneously come together in the heat and energy of a lightning strike.
ALso conveniently that is very much a let there be light moment if ever there was one considering the forum this is in.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on May 10, 2018 5:27:05 GMT -5
Universe beginnings are foggy since we can't really observe anything to prove anything, we have clues but nothing concrete. Life however is a little clearer, not certain ... but it's been proven in the conditions of the forming earth with the chemicals that were around, and the lightning storms the Earth was always under that RNA - a molecule capable of self replicating and the likely source of the first "living" ... things? Not cells yet ... organisms ... could actually spontaneously come together in the heat and energy of a lightning strike. ALso conveniently that is very much a let there be light moment if ever there was one considering the forum this is in. It is indeed DT. The problem is that we have yet to be able to replicate that after years of study. We've been able to get proteins to form, but nothing beyond the building blocks steps into something "alive." But, that's a debate for a different topic, lol. Here the focus is just on your beliefs as to current groups of people and if some are evolutionary (or otherwise) superior to others But yeah DT, your belief that we come from essentially the same human species puts you in that first camp with me (though one day we'll have to talk about Neanderthals, lol)
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Post by Bobby Barratt on May 10, 2018 8:25:10 GMT -5
I'm a big believer in evolution myself. That being said I think the only exceptions of being "more evolved" than others in my opinion now are the tribes that refuse to even converse with people from the outside. There are tribes which if you get too close to their island, will shoot to kill for instance but the name of the island escapes me. I think other than that, technology has sped up the evolution of a lot of people in terms that they adapt things into their own cultures that they may see online.
Actually Mongo, I think we had a discussion not too long back about how Korea had evolved so much in terms of tech over the last 50 years or so.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on May 10, 2018 8:51:46 GMT -5
Korea has advanced technologically up to and beyond the US in roughly 50-60 years, lol. It's amazing
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 13:33:00 GMT -5
Now, I believe in the Christian theory of Adam and Eve with that said I do not believe that one group is more evolved than another every group has there higher intelligent people and there lesser. But I do believe Americans are un-evolving every year and generation. As I also see other smaller countries becoming more self-reliant and more advanced.
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Post by "The Icon" Shawn Rossdale on May 10, 2018 16:08:03 GMT -5
Technology has a cap. It does. We're experiencing that cap now.
Spiritualism and evolution are separate as well. The two don't and can't be intertwined. Things that were created can naturally evolve. Natural selection, all of those type of things are all in the work of God.
I do know 1 thing. Certain specific types of groups of people are definitely less advanced. It is quite clear.
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