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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 8:35:54 GMT -5
Okay, got a question for you all I have been thinking about this and I am curious about your all's opinion on the topic. What do you think about roleplay limits? Should we have word limits and the amount of roleplays we can do when roleplaying for a match? Also, if you have a cap on word limit like a 2000 or 2500 word limit shouldn't there be a cap on the word what the count should at least be?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 8:51:32 GMT -5
Okay, I personally don't care for roleplay limits, depending on the type of fed. I feel it limits creativity. Because there are times when opponents get in a groove and can just get into a story or a feud and keep going and I feel their work should count towards the match, not just character building. Using the excuse well it's a way to build your character is to me, a copout for the admins to be lazy and not have to read the roleplays and judge. You would figure a company would want to allow their members to have the freedom to just go out and roleplay as much as they want with the clause that the members know it isn't the person with the most roleplays that will win but the one with the BEST. But I feel it allows for so much more to be built inside the fed and with the characters to allow them the freedom to roleplay as much as they want. I know everyone has REAL LIFE and get's busy but when your an ADMIN you have taken on the responsibility to run the fed and read the roleplays and such forth but allow your people the freedom to be creative and write as they will.
Now if you must enforce a roleplay limit as 1 or 2 or 3 roleplays per match don't make a word limit that way they can get their full story out for their match, it only makes sense to give them the room for them to make their argument for the match and tell their story. If you must have a word limit such as 2000 words or 2500 words I believe you should also have a limit on what it should at least be so it should at least be 500 words because sometimes you have people who don't even try and they post like a paragraph or two sentences. why even post then?
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jul 7, 2018 10:37:05 GMT -5
Now, it's fairly well known I prefer the no limits XHF style.
But if I might play devil's advocate for a moment (ooh, is it sinful to call it that?). A lot of people like having limits. Unfortunately, as we get older we also get busier and have more responsibilities. To that end say you've got a busy week and you can only get up say a couple thousand words for two rps, meanwhile your opponent goes crazy and posts like 11k words (something I did one time just because I was having fun, not because I wanted to win).
How does that feel for you? You're up against a brick wall and what if you guys only got out one rp so far? Do you even wanna try to scale that brick wall? Is it worth it?
I'd argue that you're WAY off the mark on saying it's admin laziness not wanting to read rps. Most of us (myself not included) enjoy reading and fall in love with people's characters. That's what efedding is about. I'd also argue that most admins would vote for full creative freedom if they felt that it'd work for everyone. After all, the XHF ran for 6 years as a lawless wasteland and we had a strong membership.
....and then we started losing guys. And guess where they were going? A fed that had strong limits on rp deadlines and things were organized to be more fair. The lawless wasteland is great for guys who have the time or the insane effort. That's why generally speaking nobody wants to change the X*Crown rules for global events, because you have to work harder to get the top title. But day-to-day? Most people would rather not have to kill themselves every week just because one guy has more time than the other- is that really a fair way to approach rping? Do you really wanna rack up wins because you're at home all day?
I rp as though there are no limits and sure, one time I busted out 11k. But most of the time I come in under 1k, lol. It's always been quality over quantity in fedding and a reasonable limit isn't a big deal. A certain fed recently instituted what, 2.5k? That's a pretty high limit as far as I'm concerned. That means that if you have a really good story you can stretch it out over 5k between two rps- and I doubt anyone is counting words to make sure you-re not over a little bit. If the story is going on and you've run out of limited rp space, then there's always character development for the overflow. Do you think an admin or anyone else is gonna stop in the middle of a good story just because they don't need to read about it? Heck, I had people not in EWF talking about how much fun Lord Dominicus was to read- a good story or character will get followed no matter what the format is.
Anyway, tldr (haha, appropriate topic): Limits are generally not set by the admins for themselves; they're for the rpers. Both DT and Kanyon told me upfront they wouldn't have a ton of time for stuff when I asked them to admin, but there's been no talk of limiting X*Crown rps for global events- rather we take our time and read everything that comes in for those shows. Think about the Rumble, did we set any limits? Nope, we just read- and not just us either. I know for a fact that the rumble writer and others were keeping track because it was exciting. Taane got WAY over just because of the stuff he was putting out- and Raiden is worth a read this time around, guys.
And they were still automatically coming in under 2.5k usually. So yeah, limits are generally for members to help keep things fair. It's like our version of keeping performance enhancing drugs out of the sport- or um, maybe bionic things? I don't know, it's not a very good comparison now that I'm typing it out. The point is, you're looking at it from the wrong direction, I suspect.
Again though, I like the lawless wasteland (and I don't even like reading)- but I can absolutely understand when feds make limits. Like Swann's AWA being a microfed (I think 1k limit or something?) was actually a draw for some of us because it took the pressure off. It's how feds go man. Oh to be back in high school, at the head of a lawless wasteland where every match was made in a bottomless pit of rps- so beautiful, brings a tear to my eye. But I also realize it wouldn't work right now. If we can find a ton of young guys with lots of time, maybe, somebody. Hopefully we find them anyway, gotta save fedding!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 10:48:27 GMT -5
Now, it's fairly well known I prefer the no limits XHF style. But if I might play devil's advocate for a moment (ooh, is it sinful to call it that?). A lot of people like having limits. Unfortunately, as we get older we also get busier and have more responsibilities. To that end say you've got a busy week and you can only get up say a couple thousand words for two rps, meanwhile your opponent goes crazy and posts like 11k words (something I did one time just because I was having fun, not because I wanted to win). How does that feel for you? You're up against a brick wall and what if you guys only got out one rp so far? Do you even wanna try to scale that brick wall? Is it worth it? I'd argue that you're WAY off the mark on saying it's admin laziness not wanting to read rps. Most of us (myself not included) enjoy reading and fall in love with people's characters. That's what efedding is about. I'd also argue that most admins would vote for full creative freedom if they felt that it'd work for everyone. After all, the XHF ran for 6 years as a lawless wasteland and we had a strong membership. ....and then we started losing guys. And guess where they were going? A fed that had strong limits on rp deadlines and things were organized to be more fair. The lawless wasteland is great for guys who have the time or the insane effort. That's why generally speaking nobody wants to change the X*Crown rules for global events, because you have to work harder to get the top title. But day-to-day? Most people would rather not have to kill themselves every week just because one guy has more time than the other- is that really a fair way to approach rping? Do you really wanna rack up wins because you're at home all day? I rp as though there are no limits and sure, one time I busted out 11k. But most of the time I come in under 1k, lol. It's always been quality over quantity in fedding and a reasonable limit isn't a big deal. A certain fed recently instituted what, 2.5k? That's a pretty high limit as far as I'm concerned. That means that if you have a really good story you can stretch it out over 5k between two rps- and I doubt anyone is counting words to make sure you-re not over a little bit. If the story is going on and you've run out of limited rp space, then there's always character development for the overflow. Do you think an admin or anyone else is gonna stop in the middle of a good story just because they don't need to read about it? Heck, I had people not in EWF talking about how much fun Lord Dominicus was to read- a good story or character will get followed no matter what the format is. Anyway, tldr (haha, appropriate topic): Limits are generally not set by the admins for themselves; they're for the rpers. Both DT and Kanyon told me upfront they wouldn't have a ton of time for stuff when I asked them to admin, but there's been no talk of limiting X*Crown rps for global events- rather we take our time and read everything that comes in for those shows. Think about the Rumble, did we set any limits? Nope, we just read- and not just us either. I know for a fact that the rumble writer and others were keeping track because it was exciting. Taane got WAY over just because of the stuff he was putting out- and Raiden is worth a read this time around, guys. And they were still automatically coming in under 2.5k usually. So yeah, limits are generally for members to help keep things fair. It's like our version of keeping performance enhancing drugs out of the sport- or um, maybe bionic things? I don't know, it's not a very good comparison now that I'm typing it out. The point is, you're looking at it from the wrong direction, I suspect. Again though, I like the lawless wasteland (and I don't even like reading)- but I can absolutely understand when feds make limits. Like Swann's AWA being a microfed (I think 1k limit or something?) was actually a draw for some of us because it took the pressure off. It's how feds go man. Oh to be back in high school, at the head of a lawless wasteland where every match was made in a bottomless pit of rps- so beautiful, brings a tear to my eye. But I also realize it wouldn't work right now. If we can find a ton of young guys with lots of time, maybe, somebody. Hopefully we find them anyway, gotta save fedding! I understand your points that you have made and maybe I wrote it wrong or stated it wrong but i didn't mean that they were all lazy the admins. But I just fel it in my opinion it does limit creativity. but I completely understand your point. I wish I would of knew about efedding back when the XHF was the wasteland like you were talking about. I bet that was a fun time.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jul 7, 2018 10:54:26 GMT -5
It was tons of fun. Hard though. People hated Kuroi because he had tons of time and would go on rp rampages- even though his quality was lacking.
It can limit creativity; but I dunno, two rps at 2.5k is probably enough for most things- I mean, yes, I wrote an 11k rp- but at the time I thought there was a limit and I just didn't care, haha. I'd rather just write my characters and have fun with them win or lose. If that means I go over limit; oh well, not gonna complain about it, lol. But still, I contend that a really good story will keep people reading into the "character development" stuff.
BUT, I will say that was one of the bonuses of the rp pit. Since everything was in one spot and matches were made in rps you had to read EVERYTHING, which meant that character development rps fleshed in with match-specific rps and they all got read evenly- for the most part anyway.
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Jul 7, 2018 11:12:51 GMT -5
It was tons of fun. Hard though. People hated Kuroi because he had tons of time and would go on rp rampages- even though his quality was lacking. It can limit creativity; but I dunno, two rps at 2.5k is probably enough for most things- I mean, yes, I wrote an 11k rp- but at the time I thought there was a limit and I just didn't care, haha. I'd rather just write my characters and have fun with them win or lose. If that means I go over limit; oh well, not gonna complain about it, lol. But still, I contend that a really good story will keep people reading into the "character development" stuff. BUT, I will say that was one of the bonuses of the rp pit. Since everything was in one spot and matches were made in rps you had to read EVERYTHING, which meant that character development rps fleshed in with match-specific rps and they all got read evenly- for the most part anyway. MY quality was lacking?! Who the hell is the X*Crown Champion, you son of a bi- ...wait. *shies away*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 17:35:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it would be cool if an old head (XHF Legend)cough, cough would open a fed here in the network that ran like that. hint hint lol
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jul 7, 2018 20:06:24 GMT -5
No. Did it once, it sucks. Why would I ever wanna run a fed again. You people and your demands of global admins. Nope I will neve.... oh .um ....... ... *flips Kira as a distraction and runs*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 20:19:44 GMT -5
No. Did it once, it sucks. Why would I ever wanna run a fed again. You people and your demands of global admins. Nope I will neve.... oh .um ....... ... *flips Kira as a distraction and runs* Dave, you always crack me up.
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Jul 7, 2018 20:22:11 GMT -5
I am an XHF legend and even adminned the XHF for a bit.
Just saying.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jul 7, 2018 20:23:39 GMT -5
Scorps and Mueller were both long time XHF admins and legends too
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jul 7, 2018 20:26:29 GMT -5
I mean before he became a regular dude Hype was literally a God. And Steele's pornos got plenty of play in original XHF on Mongo's personal computer since we all know Mongo and Bonnie never got close ...
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Post by IMMORTALS on Jul 9, 2018 12:44:50 GMT -5
RP limits work two ways;
1: they are put in place to keep the bi-weekly shows current and keep people active. If I had to write epic novels every two weeks it would kill me (it already is) so having limits keeps it real. And yeah, only having a small space to write might deter guys from going all out or not being able to make their words count...but I've been doing it in AXW since day one and its actually great. I like it better because you have to really think of the story ahead of time. Where do I begin? What do I want to say? How does it end/ lead into my next RP? It more strategic.
2: having open limits on certain matches/ titles works really good too, as its a challenge. Example, I've gone up against Robbie and co for the X*Crown before, and even though I'm used to writing monster roleplays he wrote about 5 or 6 huge, awesome roleplays. I didn't have as much time (maybe I did and just didn't care enough) but the reality is if you want to be a champion and hold the best crown in the game, you'd better work for it! True matches aren't based on roleplay count and more content, but with more writing you get more content. So I know I'm not ready to go for the X*Crown right now, based purely on my timeframe. But one day, when I quit my job and send my wife packing, I'll be riding that sweet sweet X*Crown train!
3: (I know I said only two points) Real life is super important, and fantasy wrestling isn't. Its a hobby, a pastime or an outlet for creativity. Recently I've gotten too heavy too deep, and can't keep up. It's ruining the best of us, look at Rob or Steele. Having limits HELPS everyone, cos without it this all becomes a chore. And worse, with unlimited roleplays our admins can't have characters on top of their workloads so they get annoyed or frustrated, or just overworked and they fizzle. Which ruins feds and/or closes feds. So by giving everyone a fair playing field then everyone can enjoy this place the same amount.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jul 10, 2018 6:22:21 GMT -5
Right I've only just seen this thread, so I'll throw a few thoughts out.
First of all, calling admin lazy is a dumb move...one of advise not doing. You've done this with fwa...you know how much work it is. Besides...what difference does it make reading a 1k rp to reading a 5k rp? A few more minutes?
The reason rp limits came in is because situations like I encountered the other week. Np disrespect to hype, he posted epics...but to see that and habe to find a way to motivate yourself to compete against that is a shitty situation. All of a sudden you have guys giving up or moving fed because they don't want to compete with novelists.
As we all get older, we simply don't have time. So if I have 3 to post, I might not get time to post 3 epics. That's life with a family and a job. A life most of us are used to.
The x*crown is the title if you want to go no limits. That gives you a choice which title you want to pursue and which means you want to use to get there. Personally as a fed head, dad and having a job the x*crown isn't for me and that's fine. I'll throw my name in but with the way some guys go, I can't keep up with that.
So in summary, I'm a HUGE fan of word limits. If yoy want a no limit fed...start one and see what the take up is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 9:55:29 GMT -5
Right I've only just seen this thread, so I'll throw a few thoughts out. First of all, calling admin lazy is a dumb move...one of advise not doing. You've done this with fwa...you know how much work it is. Besides...what difference does it make reading a 1k rp to reading a 5k rp? A few more minutes? The reason rp limits came in is that situations like I encountered the other week. Np disrespect to hype, he posted epics...but to see that and habe to find a way to motivate yourself to compete against that is a shitty situation. All of a sudden you have guys giving up or moving fed because they don't want to compete with novelists. As we all get older, we simply don't have time. So if I have 3 to post, I might not get time to post 3 epics. That's life with a family and a job. A life most of us are used to. The x*crown is the title if you want to go no limits. That gives you a choice which title you want to pursue and which means you want to use to get there. Personally as a fed head, dad and having a job the x*crown isn't for me and that's fine. I'll throw my name in but with the way some guys go, I can't keep up with that. So in summary, I'm a HUGE fan of word limits. If you want a no limit fed...start one and see what the take-up is. I just wanted to clear one thing up and comment on another without causing any arguments lol okay guys. I didn't or wasn't trying to call anyone lazy on purpose and I already said that earlier, and I wanted to comment on the comment you made about the Xcrown championship, yeah it's there for those who want the unlimited roleplay challenge right that's great but the fact that the feds get to choose who challenges for them and it seems to be the same people who get the challenge and before you take that the wrong way and I'm sure many of you will. Let me explain there is a level of competitors here in the network, okay you have your World championship, level guys like (Steele, Hyperion, Venom, Jack, Bobby. Natasha) then you have your US title level guys like (Maverick, Mad Dog, Dackle, Riggs, Kira just to name ones that come to mind) then you have the Developmental NXT title guys the ones who could explode into either one but not sure which way they will go. It appears to be the top guys that get the shots the ones who are not better known don't get the shots at that title. But I understand what you're saying about limits and everything so I am not trying to argue with anyone or anything just wanted to get everyone's opinions on stuff.
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