Mafia: Across The Zeldaverse (GAME OVER)

[Steele]

I didn't commute night 1 because I didn't commute night 1. Do I have to commute night 1?

I don't know why this is like some kind of gotcha?

BIGGER question is how far can we trust a role cop to be town? It's not unheard of... but if you've got a commuter and a role cop in front of you - be honest, who do you vote for here?

[hardcorehammer24]

Rat will be proud I am not using the “I’m New” card on this one.

[hardcorehammer24]

I guess while it is not illegal, I don’t see the advantage of not commuting as a town player, but that’s just me.

[RattyMcDaddy]

Aug 28, 2023 17:03:30 GMT -5 hardcorehammer24 said:

Rat will be proud I am not using the “I’m New” card on this one.

I'm always proud of you, even when you use the I'm new card.

[h2f]

I know that hammer has a history of coming across as differently than what he is. But I’m NOT playing meta and this is shaping up against him.

The day ends on 8/30 but if we vote to end it early it will. I think we have plenty to think on but I’m ready to

VOTE: HAMMER

[Mongo the Destroyer]

So the wind seems to be blowing in two different directions when it comes to Hammer.

From the east Hammer has been outed as a rolecop after outing Steele as a commuter. He keeps demanding why Steele wouldn't commute on the first night- not taking into account that usually commuters are handicapped and can't use their role every night. Further he's accusing him of being a survivor and voting for him when.....a survivor wins with the winning team as opposed to winning ahead of a team like another 3rd party role. So even if Steele is 3rd party it really isn't any skin off our teeth. It's not a good look for Hammer as he seems to be using a really thin bit of evidence and jumping onto it like when I'm pretty sure I've caught Scorps in a lie.

Buuuut from the west Mosler pointed out that it'd be far easier for Hammer to just pocket a living guy than say "I checked the guy who was dead." This weighs oddly heavily in his favor.

....Until you factor in the north wind: Hammer has outted himself as a rolecop, not a cop-cop. So he can't just pocket somebody he has to be able to say what their role is. If he really wanted that outcome he could have pocketed Steele for having a town-aligned role. Instead he's tried to malign a commuter and has also tried to get him to explain what his commuting restrictions are. This is highly sus.


Vote: Hammer

FOS: Mosler for the attempted deflection/support

[mosler]

Aug 28, 2023 18:12:31 GMT -5 Mongo the Destroyer said:

So the wind seems to be blowing in two different directions when it comes to Hammer.

From the east Hammer has been outed as a rolecop after outing Steele as a commuter. He keeps demanding why Steele wouldn't commute on the first night- not taking into account that usually commuters are handicapped and can't use their role every night. Further he's accusing him of being a survivor and voting for him when.....a survivor wins with the winning team as opposed to winning ahead of a team like another 3rd party role. So even if Steele is 3rd party it really isn't any skin off our teeth. It's not a good look for Hammer as he seems to be using a really thin bit of evidence and jumping onto it like when I'm pretty sure I've caught Scorps in a lie.

Buuuut from the west Mosler pointed out that it'd be far easier for Hammer to just pocket a living guy than say "I checked the guy who was dead." This weighs oddly heavily in his favor.

....Until you factor in the north wind: Hammer has outted himself as a rolecop, not a cop-cop. So he can't just pocket somebody he has to be able to say what their role is. If he really wanted that outcome he could have pocketed Steele for having a town-aligned role. Instead he's tried to malign a commuter and has also tried to get him to explain what his commuting restrictions are. This is highly sus.


Vote: Hammer

FOS: Mosler for the attempted deflection/support

Aruuuuuuu yourself.

Trans:
All of my Hammer points have clearly pointed out he could easily be scum.  He's new enough that he's inclined towards elaborate conspiracies, and enthusiastic enough that he reads other wiki sites to get the skinny on roles, without ever seeing them in action.

My general thinking is - he called Steele accurately.  If Steele wasn't out night one, that is a perfect reason for Hammer to go down one of his usual rabbit holes.  And he's been so obviously transparent on day 2, that if it was a safeclaim - he wouldn't be able to keep up the rouse day 3 without outing the rest of his team.

I don't think Hammer is the right play for town, but I could be wrong.

Also...

Vote: Mongo

He knew that FOS would distract me from my JHC promo, which is his real game.  Winning by default?  Bro.

[hardcorehammer24]

Just as it was for told, all the other Links would mutiny against the original form, shifting the alternate timeline even more askew than ever before.

Trans: I would rather go out going down an elaborate rabbit hole than to sit around and let the scum win with no original ideas. I am the Link from the original Legend of Zelda. I am a hero dammit!

[ForeverKuroi]

Vote Count 3.1:

Hammer - 4 (Rat, Steele, H2F, Mongo)
Mongo - 1 (Mosler)
Steele - 1 (Hammer)

Not Voting:
Reck
DT
Hyperion
Kris

Fun Fact: DID YOU KNOW - Stalfos is the only minion antagonist that appears in every Zelda game?


With ten alive, it takes six to eliminate. Day three ends 8/30 at approximately 10 PM EST.

[Dave D-Flipz]

On the one hand I was getting town vibes from Hammer the first 2 days. On the other hand, role cop is a very scummy role, on a third hand ... why would you out yourself as a role cop so early if you WERE scum.

On a completely other person's hand ... commuter is practically always town when it's a commuter and not a power that acts like commuter but is named different for game flavor. I'm torn, the mafia experience I have tells me I should vote Hammer because role cop, trying to push a train on a commuter, being generally chaos causing ... but the part of me that thinks logically in terms of ... evidence ... says it makes little sense to do all this scummy stuff. He ISN'T an experienced player to know to put on THIS much of a show were he scum. Could he be getting coached? Yeah sure ... but then mosler is backing his alignment and hype is backing his assertions on Steele ... or rather providing another push in that direction without coming right out to say it.

Here's the thing ... having a commuter be scum would only make sense if there was a vigilante running around. I mean I guess it avoids alignment checks but if that's the case why not make them ascetic?

The cynical part of me wants to think maybe scum is Hype and Mosler, the dynamic duo who won't kill each other. But ... uh ... mosler's defense of Hammer is more based in gameplay than trying to jump in on a commuter who has no wagon to start with.

Reck ... you were pushing for more action and accusals, you got it. Care to throw your hat into this and see where you stand?

[mosler]

Arooo.

Trans:
Hammer,  we have to lynch someone.  And right now it's not looking good for you.  If you want to survive you may want to push another suspect, because commuters are usually town - and it kind of feels like pushing a target that scum knows they can't get at night.  Even your going to the third party well seems more like something scum would be concerned with.

Being Link from the OG Legend of Zelda is nice, but not really a defense.

Everyone else - assuming this lynch goes down while I'm offline, a general note: If Hammer flips scum role cop, then he was lying about checking Steve (incidentally, why check Steve?) - and scum are aware of another of our powers.

[Steele]

I can see the point made by a couple of people that this could be a bit TOO insane for a scum play but like I said before, even if Hammer DOES somehow turn up town, then this is exactly the sort of play we *don't* need going on right now.

How does someone check a commuter and come to the conclusion that the commuter is third party? Not only that, but then change their mind to the commuter actually being scum?

Thats what's worrying me. Hammer should know better than to do that as scum, sure, but he should also know better than to do that as a townie. There is literally zero reason to make this wild claim if he's town, at least as scum the need to vote people out is a little more pressing.

Shit, he's probably the third party he's so worried about. Wish Steve was still alive to fact-check this: Hammer is a jester, and probably Tingle lol.

[Steele]

Aug 29, 2023 0:28:16 GMT -5 mosler said:

If Hammer flips scum role cop, then he was lying about checking Steve (incidentally, why check Steve?) - and scum are aware of another of our powers.

This is basically most of the point I was trying to make about Steve in my other posts but so many things going round I'm my brain I just didn't get it into words.

It's one thing to just claim you checked any old town player to pocket them, but what happens when that player says "go on then, confirm my power"?

[mosler]

Aug 29, 2023 1:28:49 GMT -5 Steele said:

It's one thing to just claim you checked any old town player to pocket them, but what happens when that player says "go on then, confirm my power"?

Aro.

Trans:
Here's the thing.
Based on outing you, Hammer is a role cop.
Most think he's a scum role cop.
Why would he waste his skill on a player that his scum team were planning to kill?
Unless that is his alibi, but if it is - no one has put it forward.
So if Hammer is scum, he definitely checked someone else last night... and could easily confirm that player's role to pocket them.  He just didn't?

Its all hopelessly irritating.

[Steele]

Aug 29, 2023 1:44:54 GMT -5 mosler said:

Aug 29, 2023 1:28:49 GMT -5 Steele said:

It's one thing to just claim you checked any old town player to pocket them, but what happens when that player says "go on then, confirm my power"?

Aro.

Trans:
Here's the thing.
Based on outing you, Hammer is a role cop.
Most think he's a scum role cop.
Why would he waste his skill on a player that his scum team were planning to kill?
Unless that is his alibi, but if it is - no one has put it forward.
So if Hammer is scum, he definitely checked someone else last night... and could easily confirm that player's role to pocket them.  He just didn't?

Its all hopelessly irritating.

OK so regarding the red: they wouldn't have been planning to kill me before using the role cop power. The whole way the RC works is that you identify a power and then decide if you want to kill them, saying its "wasting a power" is a bit of an odd claim. I didn't consider myself very powerful but perhaps commuter is a worrisome role to scum since I can basically self-protect?

Hammer pushing "why didn't I go anywhere night 1" could possibly be to determine my limitations. Because yes, I have limits (unlimited commutes is OP) but no, I'm not going to reveal them now. I need that card close to my chest.

Re the blue: if it's just an alibi, Hammer made a really good guess.

Re the green: OK yeah I see what you mean here, but flip side- he claims Steve precisely BECAUSE there's that argument of "why would he check the guy that he killed" and it makes him look a little less scummy.

I'm still starting to think that he could be third party here... what third party role might benefit from an added role cop skill?