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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jun 25, 2019 10:50:44 GMT -5
I personally would want to restrict it to individual combinations of people.
So like, yes, The AWF Icons may be Drago/Mav/JFK, theoretically. But Drago/Mav only get points when it's the two of them together.
I would say the whole gaining points after the fact thing would not work for factions/multiman freebird teams.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 10:58:06 GMT -5
If the team isn't globally registered the points would go only to the two that competed. They could add people later but until they challenge and drop back down in points the others wouldn't be eligible since at the time of gaining the points the team was only the two in the ring.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 10:58:56 GMT -5
Also JFK is technically with Bobby and Mav and Drago together as the global Icons. The AWF is just the titleholders right now if I understand.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 11:12:57 GMT -5
Also JFK is technically with Bobby and Mav and Drago together as the global Icons. The AWF is just the titleholders right now if I understand. I don't see Bobby as anything to do with them if that cleans it up lol. Mav and Drago won it, they get the honour.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 11:14:08 GMT -5
I think the mention of the Freebird rule shows that it is important to have the team "globally registered" before they start to accumulate points. Otherwise, a faction of 6 people could potentially gain enough points in only one show to challenge before even deciding which of them are the actual team being put forward. Also.. registering first really doesn't seem like a big deal to me? It shows the Team have an interest in being an actual Global Team rather than something an owner/Booker is trying to force and it only takes a few moments to do. In regard to the tour situation, perhaps that is something which should be down to the Champions/fed heads to decide... for the rest of us having a fed almost "hoard" titles isnt a bad thing, just adds fuel to the fire.. but some teams would be ampt up to go challenge other feds. To be fair, me and Jack actively wanted to visit as many feds as we could as Champions. That way it brings the whole network together and gives people fresh faces to fight. It was fun but we didnt get far lol.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 12:09:35 GMT -5
ok so i read the whole thread, as of the time i'm writting this. there's allot of things i saw, allot i agree with even more i disagree with. Honestly i like some the the ideas mav had. With the people at the end of the month getting a tag title shot. i really really like this and feel it'll keep the titles active and engaging. But also, for SSS we'll have a disadvantage, unless points rollover, or stay with you from month to month. Unless you challenge for the tag ttitles, then you loose 5 points. But for example, if Sakura-Gun has 3 points at the end of this month they should have 3 the beginning of next month and if they win a match the next month, then the have 5. i hope i explained that good enough, sorry if i haven't.
personaly i see no issue or problem having interfed matches here and there. Hell SSS has made a name and reputation on doing interfed matches and things like that. Never once have i had a complaint or issue and never once have i not been willing to put over others. For Caff's worry about his world champ losing to a midcard or opener guy, it's simple. Don't book them against those types of guys. Or if your not confidant in your world champ beating someone who's an opener or midcard guy then there's another lying issue there. My understanding with any interfed or global match is fedheads from both places get in talks with each other and agree on something. that's how i've always done it anyways. but enough about this crap, this is about the tag titles more than this.
As long as you fill out the global app i have no issue with you challenging for the feds, but also it's not fair to the teams who have followed the rules set in place for some fed to book two singles guys as a "team" and go oh hey i want these guys to challenge for the titles. i don't think that's fair or right personally. And on that note, we don't need singles guys we need TEAMS to be in the tag division. the lack of actual honest to god teams is what's hurt the division. Also also the global tag division needs to be updated a bit. Some teams on there are deader than dirt and others have only half the team active.
I like the idea of the champs going on tour or at the very least appearing on other shows in segments and such like the GUNS used to do. it keeps the tag titles realavent and makes people see them and care for them. Honestly i bet you 100 bucks most of my roster doesn't even know about the tag titles or who they are. I'll take blame for not pushing them hard enough or not talking about them often enough or whatever if need be, but they only focus on sss mainly and possibly only see other things on global shows. So having the global champions pop up every now and then would make those titles mean more and be worth something. Because right now honestly for over half my roster at least, the xhf tag team titles are probably just as important as some outsiders tag titles. They know them about the same.
I might add more to this later, but these are my hot takes for now.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 12:10:30 GMT -5
Points stay until you challenge.
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Post by Curtis D. Kanyon on Jun 25, 2019 12:24:09 GMT -5
I cosign everything DT said. And I agree that a losing team can only gain points by RPing. No show = no points. Which is why we need the fed admin to report results to the tag czar. (Really, that's the name of it? I feel like czar makes it sound like that person has power, when he has none.)
If anyone is worried about the czar being honest... well, we're all nerds, I'm sure more than just him will be keeping track. And just because a fed admin is supposed to report results, doesn't mean he will on time, and we're human, sometimes we forget to do things. The tag teams can always check to make sure their points were submitted.
I understand we've all been burned by terrible people in feds in the past. I've always wanted the XHF network free from that stigma. But I see a lot of posts in this thread with worry of people cheating the system. For one, we're here for fun, if you need to cheat the system in order to win tag titles, go somewhere else. But, and maybe I'm naive, I don't think any of you reading this are those kinds of people. The tag team point system was made to reinvigorate the tag team division, because it was a wild west scenario. No one was challenging other teams, everyone was challenging the champs and waiting in line. Personally, I still don't think the point system is perfect, but that's okay, we'll make more changes when we see glitches in the system. If it works out well in the short term, then we're going to have a lot of teams at 5+ points, and guess what, we're going to have another line of people waiting for title shots. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. (Considering you have to cash in points, maybe bank some more while you wait?)
Lastly, I'd suggest that if you want a singles run and a tag run at the same time, just make one or two character be exclusively tag team, and another be your singles star. Because I know you have multiple characters, and at the end of the day, all the accolades are on the RPer, not the character. And some day you get tired of your singles star(s) and you can break out your tag team character and give him a fantastic singles run because he's already so well established. That's what happened to current President Curtis Kanyon, and it worked out well for him. I'm not saying you have to do it that way, but does make things easier.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 12:45:34 GMT -5
another thing, i agree with the teams in rp feds having to rp, but with angled feds and dice feds and firepro feds, those i guess should be the exception or we find something for them to do also instead? Also also, if you can't even win one match you shouldn't get a title shot no matter how many points you have. that's not fair to those who put in work and actually won matches.
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Post by Payne on Jun 25, 2019 12:54:27 GMT -5
Wait... hang on... how is the result of title matches decided in the case of teams from non RP feds?... like if someone from a dice fed is against a RP fed?
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 25, 2019 13:02:11 GMT -5
When it comes to matches for the XHF Tag titles it's always roleplay matches. No matter where the teams are from. Also, Kira, just because a team hasn't won a match shouldn't mean they shouldn't get a shot if they have the points they get the shot. If they lose they lose the champions shouldn't worry about the win loss record of the challenger just whether or not if they have the points to challenge.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 13:13:53 GMT -5
Wait... hang on... how is the result of title matches decided in the case of teams from non RP feds?... like if someone from a dice fed is against a RP fed? with a dice fed maybe dice? with an angled fed, sss has angled it for the champs to win. But we can rp as well too if it's for the title i suppose and kinda assume, if you want to actually win them.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 13:17:11 GMT -5
When it comes to matches for the XHF Tag titles it's always roleplay matches. No matter where the teams are from. Also, Kira, just because a team hasn't won a match shouldn't mean they shouldn't get a shot if they have the points they get the shot. If they lose they lose the champions shouldn't worry about the win loss record of the challenger just whether or not if they have the points to challenge. Duke, you wouldn't book a jobber in a title match. well you shouldn't anyways. If you can't even beat one team what makes you think your beating the champs? it's just a waste of everyones time to even book a title match or a match in general if you can't even win one. That's not allot to ask imo. Points be damned if you can't even win a match you don't deserve any title match at all. but that's just my opinion. also sorry if that sounds harsh or anything, i don't mean it to.
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Post by La Familia Price on Jun 25, 2019 13:20:36 GMT -5
Lol AWF can't afford JFK, he's a free agent and goes where he wants.
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 25, 2019 13:25:44 GMT -5
When it comes to matches for the XHF Tag titles it's always roleplay matches. No matter where the teams are from. Also, Kira, just because a team hasn't won a match shouldn't mean they shouldn't get a shot if they have the points they get the shot. If they lose they lose the champions shouldn't worry about the win loss record of the challenger just whether or not if they have the points to challenge. Duke, you wouldn't book a jobber in a title match. well you shouldn't anyways. If you can't even beat one team what makes you think your beating the champs? it's just a waste of everyones time to even book a title match or a match in general if you can't even win one. That's not allot to ask imo. Points be damned if you can't even win a match you don't deserve any title match at all. but that's just my opinion. also sorry if that sounds harsh or anything, i don't mean it to. No but if the challenger's want to cash in their points thats on them, and what about this scenerio (you have the team of Bobby Barratt and Jack Diamond back in the tag team division but due to the teams they face or whatever circumstances they lose all of their matches but want to cash in their 5 points, are you saying they don't deserve to cash in, because they haven't won a match yet?)
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