dreadvan
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Post by dreadvan on Jun 25, 2019 13:27:23 GMT -5
The way I see it, the rules for the titles at global events follow global rules. I don't like touring either, and I think a fed having the strap till the next fed is ready to send the challenger, then it just encourages more feds making more tags. I would suggest when a global title does come under the temporary roof, you let that fed play by their rules, but again, only for non-global contests.
quick edit: any cash-in's or promised shots should take place under global rules by default as well.
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Kira Izumi
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 13:30:58 GMT -5
yeah, if you don't win a match you don't deserve a title match. it's not even feasable for you to beat the champs and it's a waste of everyone's time and effort OOC. and IC no one in their right mind would accept a match from jobbers, unless their chicken shit heels looking for an easy win. no wrestling company ever has ever just gave a jobber a title match, much less a title win. that and if im being brutally honest and blunt, you can just be a lazy fuck and not put in any effort at all for 5 matches, then challenge for the titles. (not saying you are lazy or anyone else is, just saying that could happen) and for those who actually won matches it's not right or fair, since they actually put in effort and proved themselves that they at least have a slight chance at getting the titles.
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Payne
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Post by Payne on Jun 25, 2019 13:33:32 GMT -5
I would say just that tbh. Would mean they were on a 5 match losing streak so yeah, they don't deserve to cash in and become champions.
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 25, 2019 13:51:02 GMT -5
yeah, if you don't win a match you don't deserve a title match. it's not even feasable for you to beat the champs and it's a waste of everyone's time and effort OOC. and IC no one in their right mind would accept a match from jobbers, unless their chicken shit heels looking for an easy win. no wrestling company ever has ever just gave a jobber a title match, much less a title win. that and if im being brutally honest and blunt, you can just be a lazy fuck and not put in any effort at all for 5 matches, then challenge for the titles. (not saying you are lazy or anyone else is, just saying that could happen) and for those who actually won matches it's not right or fair, since they actually put in effort and proved themselves that they at least have a slight chance at getting the titles. You sure about that lol, Copycat, how many times recently has there been jobbers getting matches for titles just to fill a spot. My point is if they are putting in the work the win loss record should not matter because not everyone can always win and every once in a while you get that win. But if your not wanting people who can't win to be able to cash in then don't give those who lose points any longer.
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Kira Izumi
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 25, 2019 14:00:58 GMT -5
alls i'm saying is you need to get one win at the very least. i understand not everyone can win, but if you can't even get one win you don't deserve a shot at THE tag team titles on the network. that's like giving curt hawkins pre wrestlemania a wwe championship match. it makes no sense and is completely pointless. no one is asking or saying you need to win 5 matches or have a hot winning streak, just have one win our of those 5 points and you can get yourself a title shot. if you have 5 loses, i'm sorry but you suck and don't deserve a shot at the tag titles. everyone can pick up one win, even if it's against the likes of copycat and terry bradshaw. that's a win, and that's all you need as a bare minimum is ONE win AND the 5 points. that's not too much to ask for or achieve.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 16:24:45 GMT -5
I have an updated preliminary spreadsheet almost ready to go. I just need to add the swat anzac cup teams after work tonight. I'll post it on the forum for everyone to see and let me know if it is up to par
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 16:30:10 GMT -5
So with the new sheet coming into play, where done land on this form? That seems to be the crux of the issue. Is it still no form, no shot?
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Post by Mav. on Jun 25, 2019 16:33:35 GMT -5
Lol AWF can't afford JFK, he's a free agent and goes where he wants. *slides over an AXW contract*
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 16:43:29 GMT -5
You can earn points without a global app. Points in that case go to the specific duo. To use your shot you need a global app for ease of writing and using your apps to rp.
This means that a team like copycat and Bradshaw will get points as will raiden and Seth. Tho raiden did post a global app... So yeah.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 16:44:22 GMT -5
Like I said form isn't final but it at least incorporated the stuff everyone seems to agree on our at least a strong majority
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 25, 2019 17:14:53 GMT -5
Well, there is always one last thing you can try if everyone can't agree on something. Since the tag titles and the Xcrown are Global Network titles let the Network admins run them just like the fed admins would their own championships and decide who will fight for them when and where. So the network admins would decide who the next challenger would be what show and fed they will fight the champions on and the network admins would judge the match also. That way it solves the problem.
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Post by IMMORTALS on Jun 25, 2019 20:23:53 GMT -5
Well, there is always one last thing you can try if everyone can't agree on something. Since the tag titles and the Xcrown are Global Network titles let the Network admins run them just like the fed admins would their own championships and decide who will fight for them when and where. So the network admins would decide who the next challenger would be what show and fed they will fight the champions on and the network admins would judge the match also. That way it solves the problem. Not a bad call, but with new-daddy Kanyon, multi-vacation Dave and hentai-addicted Mongo I feel you might be tacking on a lot of work for them. Then again, Mongo IS always online and reading everything, so he knows more about current tag teams across the Network than anyone else...
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jun 25, 2019 22:20:21 GMT -5
Since DT and Kanyon are in agreement I'll defer to them that maybe I'm wrong. But I would just like to call out something I don't understand.
What's the big deal about registering? Because when I read "We shouldn't have to register to get points" what I'm seeing is "Hey I want points and a tag title shot; also I don't care about the tag title division"
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Well if you don't care enough to register globally then why should the global titles care enough about your team?
I mean, it works without the global registry in order to get the points, it'd be like a local nwa team working matches then making their global debut by finally coming onto the NWA main stage (registering and getting a title shot)- but in a territory mindset that team is still IC unknowns to everyone else and suddenly they want a title shot. It happens because NWA is a weird beast but it's also why NWA has had champions nobody has heard of. Because the Global Tag Title division is well....global. So your local achievements don't really mean anything if you're not willing to be a part of the global division from the start- go win some local tag titles bro
So it's feasible, but it feels too me like a mom saying "well my son deserves such and such" because he's good at home even though he puts in no effort at school. Sure, you love your children, but as a teacher if a student doesn't want to do their homework then I'm not gonna give them an A.
Other notes: The win condition is neat.
I think that it's fine for angle/dice/firepro feds to run up their points however they like but they'll still have to rp. Specifically I was hoping to game the system in SSS and MCCW with Dos Angeles to get points- but I'd still have to actually rp in the title match proper. I don't see that as cheating (especially since I can't seem to get a tag match in either fed right now, lol); it's just a way of utilizing the rules. BUT, say like I win and bring the titles back to MCCW/SSS, if an MCCW team challenges me, I think it'd be fine to have the match on firepro rules since Nelly and the MCCW team are both rostered there.
I'm a fan of keeping the freebird rule but again I echo that it only really works well if you register globally
Also, the champs going for the X*Crown isn't a hard and fast rule, more like a strong suggestion because it makes it seem like your fed only has one star
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Post by Dylan on Jun 25, 2019 22:55:58 GMT -5
I'll echo what's been said before. The e current system is fine how it is, if you don't sign up you shouldn't get points. Running matches shouldn't store up points for you. Thanks for coming to my Tedtalk
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 25, 2019 23:00:09 GMT -5
okay, guys, it's like this and yes most of you will disregard what I say like always. But this whole thing this whole argument is stupid, no one liked the way the old system worked and after Bobby, Dave and they revamped it to the way it is now we have yet more bitching and complaining over the dumbest shit. Okay, how hard is it to take 5 to 10 minutes and post a Global application in order to get the points you guys think your teams deserve. The whole point of the Global application is to help the writers when they write the matches and for the participants to find the apps on their opponents easier. If you all can't take the few minutes to fill it out then you don't deserve the points or a title shot. The tag team belts are for the Global tag team division and unless you have an application in you are not a member of the tag team division and thus your points don't mean shit. It's like this Jeffrey Viper being a member of RSW roster but going to AXW and telling them he wants a world title shot because he feels like he deserves it and if he gets the shot he will then fill out an app for AXW. It's not going to happen. So I say either fill out the application or stay a singles wrestler.
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