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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jun 25, 2019 23:06:47 GMT -5
Since DT and Kanyon are in agreement I'll defer to them that maybe I'm wrong. But I would just like to call out something I don't understand. What's the big deal about registering? Because when I read "We shouldn't have to register to get points" what I'm seeing is "Hey I want points and a tag title shot; also I don't care about the tag title division" :thinking: Well if you don't care enough to register globally then why should the global titles care enough about your team? I mean, it works without the global registry in order to get the points, it'd be like a local nwa team working matches then making their global debut by finally coming onto the NWA main stage (registering and getting a title shot)- but in a territory mindset that team is still IC unknowns to everyone else and suddenly they want a title shot. It happens because NWA is a weird beast but it's also why NWA has had champions nobody has heard of. Because the Global Tag Title division is well....global. So your local achievements don't really mean anything if you're not willing to be a part of the global division from the start- go win some local tag titles bro So it's feasible, but it feels too me like a mom saying "well my son deserves such and such" because he's good at home even though he puts in no effort at school. Sure, you love your children, but as a teacher if a student doesn't want to do their homework then I'm not gonna give them an A. Other notes: The win condition is neat. I think that it's fine for angle/dice/firepro feds to run up their points however they like but they'll still have to rp. Specifically I was hoping to game the system in SSS and MCCW with Dos Angeles to get points- but I'd still have to actually rp in the title match proper. I don't see that as cheating (especially since I can't seem to get a tag match in either fed right now, lol); it's just a way of utilizing the rules. BUT, say like I win and bring the titles back to MCCW/SSS, if an MCCW team challenges me, I think it'd be fine to have the match on firepro rules since Nelly and the MCCW team are both rostered there. I'm a fan of keeping the freebird rule but again I echo that it only really works well if you register globally Also, the champs going for the X*Crown isn't a hard and fast rule, more like a strong suggestion because it makes it seem like your fed only has one star Because if people have tagged five times as a team and have won enough times to get a shot why the fuck does it matter if they've registered globally or not when they've clearly been serious enough as a team to get booked within their fed that many times If admins are submitting results like "hey this tag team with these two guys won this week" just fucking record the points. Sometimes tag teams don't have specific finishers or joint entrances. Sometimes they're still figuring all that stuff out. Just require a completed app to challenge. Lots of times, people will figure out how they gel along the way. Having all that shit up front isn't necessary. That's why the tag app sucks. If we could submit a tag app that was just "these two wrestlers are together, the rest is TBD" it would functionally be the same thing
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jun 25, 2019 23:14:52 GMT -5
Since DT and Kanyon are in agreement I'll defer to them that maybe I'm wrong. But I would just like to call out something I don't understand. What's the big deal about registering? Because when I read "We shouldn't have to register to get points" what I'm seeing is "Hey I want points and a tag title shot; also I don't care about the tag title division" :thinking: Well if you don't care enough to register globally then why should the global titles care enough about your team? I mean, it works without the global registry in order to get the points, it'd be like a local nwa team working matches then making their global debut by finally coming onto the NWA main stage (registering and getting a title shot)- but in a territory mindset that team is still IC unknowns to everyone else and suddenly they want a title shot. It happens because NWA is a weird beast but it's also why NWA has had champions nobody has heard of. Because the Global Tag Title division is well....global. So your local achievements don't really mean anything if you're not willing to be a part of the global division from the start- go win some local tag titles bro So it's feasible, but it feels too me like a mom saying "well my son deserves such and such" because he's good at home even though he puts in no effort at school. Sure, you love your children, but as a teacher if a student doesn't want to do their homework then I'm not gonna give them an A. Other notes: The win condition is neat. I think that it's fine for angle/dice/firepro feds to run up their points however they like but they'll still have to rp. Specifically I was hoping to game the system in SSS and MCCW with Dos Angeles to get points- but I'd still have to actually rp in the title match proper. I don't see that as cheating (especially since I can't seem to get a tag match in either fed right now, lol); it's just a way of utilizing the rules. BUT, say like I win and bring the titles back to MCCW/SSS, if an MCCW team challenges me, I think it'd be fine to have the match on firepro rules since Nelly and the MCCW team are both rostered there. I'm a fan of keeping the freebird rule but again I echo that it only really works well if you register globally Also, the champs going for the X*Crown isn't a hard and fast rule, more like a strong suggestion because it makes it seem like your fed only has one star Because if people have tagged five times as a team and have won enough times to get a shot why the fuck does it matter if they've registered globally or not when they've clearly been serious enough as a team to get booked within their fed that many times If admins are submitting results like "hey this tag team with these two guys won this week" just fucking record the points. Sometimes tag teams don't have specific finishers or joint entrances. Sometimes they're still figuring all that stuff out. Just require a completed app to challenge. Lots of times, people will figure out how they gel along the way. Having all that shit up front isn't necessary. That's why the tag app sucks. If we could submit a tag app that was just "these two wrestlers are together, the rest is TBD" it would functionally be the same thing Yeah but if you've got two random singles guys (maybe across different feds) and then you need to write a match with them for an event that's super inconvenient. You've ended up wasting the writer's 10-15 minutes looking for apps in what would have taken you like 5 to fill out the form It comes down to it, "I can't be bothered to fill out a form but I want to be rewarded." If AWF is just gonna book "playa playa" tag matches to build singles titles why should we be handing them title opportunities for guys who aren't invested in the division?
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Post by La Familia Price on Jun 25, 2019 23:44:48 GMT -5
I mean...nothing is stopping AWF from having its own AWF tag belts, just saying.
But yeah that's how I took it when I woke up to that flurry of bullshit and then someone saying I was being lazy and haven't updated the list when it was just updated 2 days before. The way I saw it people couldn't be arsed to fill out an app.
But hey, not my monkey not my circus anymore.
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Post by La Familia Price on Jun 25, 2019 23:46:47 GMT -5
Lol AWF can't afford JFK, he's a free agent and goes where he wants. *slides over an AXW contract* JFK: Yep that's a contract alright, missing a few zero's however. Doesn't mean I wont be around from time to time checking up on my old drinking partner Rob.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 23:51:43 GMT -5
Ok hold on hold on, here's the thing. Mongo it seems like you are against the change because a) inconvenient to the writers (it is) and b) You take a slight on behalf of the division.
But here's what I'm seeing. We already revamped the tag division because it wasn't what we wanted. We did it because it was just a bunch of guys looking for a quick title shot to boost the cred of their singles guys in a sense. But the issue is MOST of our feds are now BOOKED as opposed to matches being challenges. Yes the tag teams CAN challenge but ... most aren't ... AND THEY SHOULD BE, LIKE GUYS COME ON! ... but in that sense a lot of teams are being thrust together by the stories being told in their feds or just the whims of the admins getting everyone on a show and sometimes the teams work VERY well. If that's the case they should get points. Specifically as THAT INCARNATION of the team.
As for Seth ... you do know it is totally possible to just go into the tag team forum, start an app, put in the character and handler info for 2 guys and link to their apps then say, "They don't have a joint entrance or tag moves being basic double teams." As long as you link to the apps you solve the problem Mongo had and the writer knows to just have you enter separately and write the team as two guys working together but without flashy names. Just saying ... it's totally legal as long as the links to the apps and the general info as to who is in the team are there ...
I'm going to post the preliminary points tracker new version now but know that it is unfinished, I still need to add the matches from SWAT from the Anzac Cup through today (minus the Convicted as their match was recorded by Price since they had a global app.) If any admin notices a team had a match since the debut of the new rules and hasn't had points recorded (I think AWF has a few) just pass them my way in DMs and I'll add them tomorrow after work but I worked till 11PM and its now 1am and I gotta be up at 6:30 so goodnight.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 25, 2019 23:54:10 GMT -5
I'm just tryign to be the voice of reason here since it seems everyone else is frothing at the mouth JUUUUUST a bit. But that's cool discussion, organization, and being cool and collected are kind of my thing now.
Unless you try to talk politics to me ... then I become a frothing maniac. And only Italian Ice will settle me down. ...... *eats his Italian ice because he is a grown ass man and can buy his own food*
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jun 25, 2019 23:56:20 GMT -5
*Froths at DT*
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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jun 25, 2019 23:59:41 GMT -5
Because if people have tagged five times as a team and have won enough times to get a shot why the fuck does it matter if they've registered globally or not when they've clearly been serious enough as a team to get booked within their fed that many times If admins are submitting results like "hey this tag team with these two guys won this week" just fucking record the points. Sometimes tag teams don't have specific finishers or joint entrances. Sometimes they're still figuring all that stuff out. Just require a completed app to challenge. Lots of times, people will figure out how they gel along the way. Having all that shit up front isn't necessary. That's why the tag app sucks. If we could submit a tag app that was just "these two wrestlers are together, the rest is TBD" it would functionally be the same thing Yeah but if you've got two random singles guys (maybe across different feds) and then you need to write a match with them for an event that's super inconvenient. You've ended up wasting the writer's 10-15 minutes looking for apps in what would have taken you like 5 to fill out the form It comes down to it, "I can't be bothered to fill out a form but I want to be rewarded." If AWF is just gonna book "playa playa" tag matches to build singles titles why should we be handing them title opportunities for guys who aren't invested in the division? Match writers having to dig for five seconds on one, maybe two pages of applications to find an entrance? Like honestly, cry me a river if it takes you 15 minutes to track down two applications. Again: this would literally only matter if those guys were being booked for a title shot in a cross-fed global show? At which point my suggestion that they fill out the application to be eligible actually solves the issue you're citing?
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 26, 2019 0:35:34 GMT -5
Yeah but if you've got two random singles guys (maybe across different feds) and then you need to write a match with them for an event that's super inconvenient. You've ended up wasting the writer's 10-15 minutes looking for apps in what would have taken you like 5 to fill out the form It comes down to it, "I can't be bothered to fill out a form but I want to be rewarded." If AWF is just gonna book "playa playa" tag matches to build singles titles why should we be handing them title opportunities for guys who aren't invested in the division? Match writers having to dig for five seconds on one, maybe two pages of applications to find an entrance? Like honestly, cry me a river if it takes you 15 minutes to track down two applications. Again: this would literally only matter if those guys were being booked for a title shot in a cross-fed global show? At which point my suggestion that they fill out the application to be eligible actually solves the issue you're citing? Uh... yeah same thing for filling out a global tag app bro. literally only you and caff have an "issue" with it when it never was or even is an issue. it takes 5 minutes, if that to fill it out. i'm sorry if i'm coming off as rude or an ass i'm just getting pissed off every time i see this said and then you say this. but i'm not sayng nothing else, i like you guys and i'm not trying to start nothing.
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Post by Dylan on Jun 26, 2019 7:09:37 GMT -5
This thread is why nobody ever gets nice things.
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Post by Seth Dillinger on Jun 26, 2019 10:35:31 GMT -5
Match writers having to dig for five seconds on one, maybe two pages of applications to find an entrance? Like honestly, cry me a river if it takes you 15 minutes to track down two applications. Again: this would literally only matter if those guys were being booked for a title shot in a cross-fed global show? At which point my suggestion that they fill out the application to be eligible actually solves the issue you're citing? Uh... yeah same thing for filling out a global tag app bro. literally only you and caff have an "issue" with it when it never was or even is an issue. it takes 5 minutes, if that to fill it out. i'm sorry if i'm coming off as rude or an ass i'm just getting pissed off every time i see this said and then you say this. but i'm not sayng nothing else, i like you guys and i'm not trying to start nothing. But admins can't submit applications for other people. We can only submit points. As an admin I'm trying to bust my ass to make my fedders have easier lives. That's all.
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Jun 26, 2019 10:58:25 GMT -5
Ok hold on hold on, here's the thing. Mongo it seems like you are against the change because a) inconvenient to the writers (it is) and b) You take a slight on behalf of the division. But here's what I'm seeing. We already revamped the tag division because it wasn't what we wanted. We did it because it was just a bunch of guys looking for a quick title shot to boost the cred of their singles guys in a sense. But the issue is MOST of our feds are now BOOKED as opposed to matches being challenges. Yes the tag teams CAN challenge but ... most aren't ... AND THEY SHOULD BE, LIKE GUYS COME ON! ... but in that sense a lot of teams are being thrust together by the stories being told in their feds or just the whims of the admins getting everyone on a show and sometimes the teams work VERY well. If that's the case they should get points. Specifically as THAT INCARNATION of the team. As for Seth ... you do know it is totally possible to just go into the tag team forum, start an app, put in the character and handler info for 2 guys and link to their apps then say, "They don't have a joint entrance or tag moves being basic double teams." As long as you link to the apps you solve the problem Mongo had and the writer knows to just have you enter separately and write the team as two guys working together but without flashy names. Just saying ... it's totally legal as long as the links to the apps and the general info as to who is in the team are there ... I'm going to post the preliminary points tracker new version now but know that it is unfinished, I still need to add the matches from SWAT from the Anzac Cup through today (minus the Convicted as their match was recorded by Price since they had a global app.) If any admin notices a team had a match since the debut of the new rules and hasn't had points recorded (I think AWF has a few) just pass them my way in DMs and I'll add them tomorrow after work but I worked till 11PM and its now 1am and I gotta be up at 6:30 so goodnight. As for Seth ... you do know it is totally possible to just go into the tag team forum, start an app, put in the character and handler info for 2 guys and link to their apps then say, "They don't have a joint entrance or tag moves being basic double teams." As long as you link to the apps you solve the problem Mongo had and the writer knows to just have you enter separately and write the team as two guys working together but without flashy names. Just saying ... it's totally legal as long as the links to the apps and the general info as to who is in the team are there ... Can we call that admins are allowed to do this and then fucking lock the thread and be done with all this shit!?
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Post by "The Family Man" Danny Ray on Jun 26, 2019 12:49:51 GMT -5
You cannot post apps for characters that are not yours without that person's permission, I was jumped on about that when I tried to help by filling out an application for Copycat and Terry Bradshaw. So the team would have to do that.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Jun 26, 2019 12:54:52 GMT -5
besides like it's been said a billion times, it's not hard nor is it time consuming to fill it our yourself. if your too god damn lazy to fill out a fucking app then you don't deserve shit. but that's my 2 cents.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Jun 26, 2019 15:12:12 GMT -5
I feel like we're beating a long dead horse that is now a pile of muck on the ground that Copycat has already slipped and fallen into and run around screaming.
The new form allows for points to be gathered via admins sending in points with no app required. To challenge for the belts you post an app and it can be as simple as linking to your 2 apps as I stated above. Everyone is happy this way it is exactly what everyone wants. Seth and Caffrey ... you can now earn points without being registered, Mongo gets his app posted to help the writer of the match ...
Can we discuss the other stuff now?
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