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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Jun 25, 2019 5:36:06 GMT -5
Hey guys!
So some issues have come up regarding the tag title division and certain people have strong beliefs one way or another.
At current, the rules are that teams that have registered globally are automatically entered into a system that tracks their performance. Usually we want fed-heads to let the Tag Czar know when registered teams have matches, just so it takes a little off their plate with all the feds. Registered teams score one point for participating in a tag match and two points for winning. Upon getting 5 points they qualify to challenge for the XHF Tag-Team Championships
We developed this system because the tag division (which we were begged to open) wasn't working. Nobody was having tag matches or utilizing the global nature of the division and instead we just had guys squabbling over who got the next title shot when in actually nobody really deserved it (or at least that was the general feeling).
The reason for global registration is to help keep things organized AND make it easier for writers. The tag division is supposed to be able to compete on any show in any fed, so having the applications all in one place is just a logical move. It's hard writing matches and keeping track of things when you're looking in multiple places for information.
The point system forces teams to actually compete and motivates feds to make tag matches in order to get the titles; which should be seen as an extra distinction for the fed that has the tag champs. And 5 points isn't that hard to get. And to ensure fairness we started the points after the Rumble- since then we had a clean slate to work with. Beyond that any team that sings up starts at zero and accrues points since registering. That is to say, points can't be grandfathered in.
Not everyone agrees with this system and I've had to deal with some surprisingly hot dms about it (from multiple sources). So, I thought it'd make sense for us to get the ideas out here and try to come to either an understanding or a consensus.
Oh and we need a new Tag Czar who will manage the division (no matter what we decide [unless we decide to re-retire the belts altogether])
So, you have your forum; let your voice be heard (but be respectful about it, eh?)
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 5:44:21 GMT -5
I think this system needs a fair chance to work. The crux of the issues seem to be that someone wanted to be able to book the tag titles in the fed they reside in (I'm keeping names out because otherwise it becomes shit slinging).
Booking the titles for the champions takes away the agency from the champions unless they specifically ask for a defence. Essentially at that point they become glorified fed level belts and if this is the issue, we may as well send them over the hill.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 5:46:32 GMT -5
Also something I noticed yesterday is it seemed like people were trying to track individual points on wrestlers. The system was designed for points to be earned in teams and anything else feels like abuse of the system. You dont gain credibility as a team by competing individually.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 5:55:05 GMT -5
For the record, when I put this system together, I didnt intend for there to be no defences until points were hit. Perhaps I didnt get that across. The champions can choose to defend against who they like, when they like, but it only meant any team that hadn't earned enough points had no right to make a challenge.
If they arent willing to have a minimum of 3 matches to gain the reputation to get a shot, then why do they deserve the shot?
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Post by Mav. on Jun 25, 2019 5:56:59 GMT -5
I know I told you this in DMs but I will gladly take the Tag Czar role, I always cared about the Tag Division for about a year now and I'm not having it fall to shit over a disagreement. As I've told you before, Mongo, an agreement we might come to is this...
Teams can come and earn points. After the end of the month, the team with the most points can challenge. If there's a team tied with points, they can battle it out to become the next challengers and if there's a Global Show coming up, that rule will not be applied and there will be a Multi-Man Tag Match.
I don't want this division to die, but if it comes down to it... Then it must.
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Soutter
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Post by Soutter on Jun 25, 2019 5:58:04 GMT -5
id like to see a schedule and on the schedule the champs tour thru each fed, that fed getting the tour that show decides who they want to get the shot, and the admins still determine the winner
so first tour goes in order so AWF. They pick who gets a shot from their fed, and whoever wins, (board admins decision) goes to the next tour, which would be SSS, then repeat with the winners then going to AXW and so on
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Post by Payne on Jun 25, 2019 6:01:58 GMT -5
It seems like a solid base for the division.. especially because Tag divisions seem difficult to run for some reason or another.
However, I'm not sure the point system is quite balanced right.. From my understanding, it suggests a team can have five matches, loosing all and qualify for a title shot with some kind of 'Participation trophy' which I think cheapens the belts. I'd rather see something along the lines of 1pt for a loss, 2pt for a win and 3pts for defeating Fed Champions (Or Network Champs in non-title match). Perhaps with a rule that you have to have won the previous match to qualify for a Title Shot (ie No title shot on the back of a loss... Just because I feel it makes the prize seem more prestigious)
What is the reason for the protests? Perhaps if Locals want to defend the titles within their fed you can allow them to 'defend' a guaranteed title shot - even to teams with Zero points?... Effectively making it a 5pt match? Beating the champions is a pretty reasonable way to earn a title shot 'down the line' and could pacify people.
Don't scrap them! I fully intend to find myself a partner and get involved lol.
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Post by Mav. on Jun 25, 2019 6:01:59 GMT -5
id like to see a schedule and on the schedule the champs tour thru each fed, that fed getting the tour that show decides who they want to get the shot, and the admins still determine the winner so first tour goes in order so AWF. They pick who gets a shot from their fed, and whoever wins, (board admins decision) goes to the next tour, which would be SSS, then repeat with the winners then going to AXW and so on Trust me, myself and Drago would be in love to do something like this and we have every intention to do so.
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Post by Soutter on Jun 25, 2019 6:08:29 GMT -5
thanks Maverick, you have the tag division oversee'er who informs each fed when their tour is coming up, and they then decide who from their fed gets the shot, but as i said, the board admins determine the winner
we could do same with x-crown and a womens title also
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 6:32:19 GMT -5
It seems like a solid base for the division.. especially because Tag divisions seem difficult to run for some reason or another. However, I'm not sure the point system is quite balanced right.. From my understanding, it suggests a team can have five matches, loosing all and qualify for a title shot with some kind of 'Participation trophy' which I think cheapens the belts. I'd rather see something along the lines of 1pt for a loss, 2pt for a win and 3pts for defeating Fed Champions (Or Network Champs in non-title match). Perhaps with a rule that you have to have won the previous match to qualify for a Title Shot (ie No title shot on the back of a loss... Just because I feel it makes the prize seem more prestigious) What is the reason for the protests? Perhaps if Locals want to defend the titles within their fed you can allow them to 'defend' a guaranteed title shot - even to teams with Zero points?... Effectively making it a 5pt match? Beating the champions is a pretty reasonable way to earn a title shot 'down the line' and could pacify people. Don't scrap them! I fully intend to find myself a partner and get involved lol. This was something I considered when I wrote it, but I thought sticking with basics was solid at first so not to make it too complicated. Other ideas included a former world champion in the team would give a few points bonus due to them being credible in their own right. I really like the rule about not challenging after a loss though.
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Post by Payne on Jun 25, 2019 6:35:13 GMT -5
If I'm honest, I much prefer the point system than that of a tour of the feds. A tour in this fashion seems like everyone is just forming an 'orderly queue' for a shot at the titles while much more deserving challengers could potentially be waiting months to receive their shot.
You could combine the idea's with a scheduled tour plus the points system, meaning that once a team has gained enough points to Challenge they can intercept the tour and the title match can become a Triple Threat.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 6:52:05 GMT -5
If I'm honest, I much prefer the point system than that of a tour of the feds. A tour in this fashion seems like everyone is just forming an 'orderly queue' for a shot at the titles while much more deserving challengers could potentially be waiting months to receive their shot. You could combine the idea's with a scheduled tour plus the points system, meaning that once a team has gained enough points to Challenge they can intercept the tour and the title match can become a Triple Threat. Funnily enough me and mongo are on discord now and I said pretty much this about 2 minutes ago. So the titles wouldn't be on the line each leg of the tour, but the champions would tour. So winning would give 5 points as suggested above. If someone wanted to make a challenge after having gained the points, then AIW would wait until after said title match to restart the non title tour. Obviously unless the challengers came from the same fed they were about to visit. Then it's on!
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Post by Payne on Jun 25, 2019 6:54:35 GMT -5
If I'm honest, I much prefer the point system than that of a tour of the feds. A tour in this fashion seems like everyone is just forming an 'orderly queue' for a shot at the titles while much more deserving challengers could potentially be waiting months to receive their shot. You could combine the idea's with a scheduled tour plus the points system, meaning that once a team has gained enough points to Challenge they can intercept the tour and the title match can become a Triple Threat. Funnily enough me and mongo are on discord now and I said pretty much this about 2 minutes ago. So the titles wouldn't be on the line each leg of the tour, but the champions would tour. So winning would give 5 points as suggested above. If someone wanted to make a challenge after having gained the points, then AIW would wait until after said title match to restart the non title tour. Obviously unless the challengers came from the same fed they were about to visit. Then it's on! Yeah, I like that. The concept of the Tour being non title matches gives time for stories to be developed and really build toward the Global shows too.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Jun 25, 2019 6:59:35 GMT -5
As you say, otherwise the point system becomes invalid if feds are in a queue.
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Jun 25, 2019 7:01:02 GMT -5
If I'm honest, I much prefer the point system than that of a tour of the feds. A tour in this fashion seems like everyone is just forming an 'orderly queue' for a shot at the titles while much more deserving challengers could potentially be waiting months to receive their shot. You could combine the idea's with a scheduled tour plus the points system, meaning that once a team has gained enough points to Challenge they can intercept the tour and the title match can become a Triple Threat. I’m also extremely uncomfortable in letting my heavily booked champions go on a “tour”.
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