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Post by Venom đź•· on Sept 29, 2019 1:44:53 GMT -5
(Side question: Most people like Bobby, most people like Kira. Why can't we have them as mods?) As I’ve said in response to Seth we are working on a lot behind the scenes. We can’t figure out anything about mods when we’re constantly being barraged with new issues. You being put in jail was a decision by Dust, the owner of the Discord, put you in and I’m not going to undermine his decision. I’m sorry that makes you upset.
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Post by jamesmueller on Sept 29, 2019 1:51:45 GMT -5
Alright so... I'm one of those greasy Discord admins. And for those unaware I created the discord over two years ago when the Network was first starting to get it's feet. It was like a high school reunion where a big number of us had RPed together over ten years prior and sparsely kept in touch. One of the things we had back then was have long-running AIM Group chats, where we talked about random things and set up angles for future shows. It had it's peaks and it had it's valleys, but it was some of my favorite memories from the "old" days.
Now we're here. Two and half years since we've opened the Discord to the public and welcomed in everyone on the board to keep in touch, flow ideas, and shitpost when necessary. In those 2+ years we haven't really had any.. hiccups, to say the least. Lately, however, our Discord has hit a snag and we've seen arguments, name calling, kicks and temporary bans sky-rocket. I don't think there's a single source and I'm not putting blame on anyone. When you get this many people who work together and compete against each other into a group, you're going to see tension. It's expected. But how this tension is being released isn't healthy and it isn't constructive and it isn't doing anybody a favor. And I'm not saying this to one member, and I'm not saying this to one admin; I'm saying this to everyone involved, and I will personally talk to the two parties in particular I don't like how this has become such a focal point that we needed a board post to talk about it.
What we saw though was grounds for a... grounding. For both parties. I stuck one "in jail" for the night, and the other's discipline, as an acting admin, is being discussed as well. Right now we'll call it a suspension for lack of a better term, and he's offline but he has been demoted and muted for the time being. As for both parties, I'll be talking with both like I said, but not tonight. I want level headed, I want sobriety, I want a calm constructive discussion if we're going to talk. It's obvious to anyone who's been in the chat tonight that tonight is simply not the night to do so. I'm also not going to be demanded into doing something either.
On to the next issues... The reason why the Discord has seemed a bit "lawless" is because, well, we thought the laws were obvious and we've never had this height of an issue. Starting with myself, we are taking steps to reign things back down a bit. Coincidentally before this happened tonight I had posted a list of rules I'd like to expect in the #welcome page. They're easy. Be civil and don't be an asshole, that's all we really ask.
We also added some moderation tools to help us out, thank you Scott Steiner Bot.
If you have issues with the staff of the Discord, come to us. And when I say us, I don't mean just Mongo. There's six of us, including myself who I don't think I have beef with literally anyone on Discord or this Forum at the moment.
Except for Harry. Fuck him.
For real though, come to me, or another admin, or post in the suggestions, if you want to discuss things. I want the discord to be a place for all of us, because it's fun and unity and collaboration are great things, but if we can't be civil than what are we doing here?
It's also super late here and I'm sleepy, so pardon me if this text ends up looking like someone vomited alphabet soup or one of Mongo's RPs.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Sept 29, 2019 2:08:52 GMT -5
A while back, maybe even a year ago Rob said to me something to the effect of "If you're friends with everyone you can't be friends with anyone." And wow was he right on that, lol.
I absorb a lot of bashing, a lot. Like AWF crew you can talk about AXW's bashing all you want but I get it too so I know the feeling. And I get it from almost everyone- except maybe DT because despite me literally burying his character (under a bunch of guys) he's always been super cool with me (except in the immediate aftermath of that for understandable reasons). But I take it, because most of it is in jest. I'd argue a lot of the AXW/AWF stuff is meant that way as well. But that's just me, and it's part of the burden of leadership.
Anyway, I'm stuck in the middle. Folks who came later don't realize but Spike and Goldy set up the discord just as a place for us to shoot the breeze like in old times because we used to AIM chat every night. Discord was the closest we could get to that. Spike's mia and focused on IWF for those who are curious. But Goldy (Dust) is still around and has been trying to bring the discord more up to code, so to speak.
The discord was never meant to be this massive thing, and I had worried early on about it taking people away from the board- and it has. Honestly I don't like that people feel we *need* official presence off the board. But Seth mentioned to me one day that modern folks don't get boards as well as they used to and that's why we see feds on reddit or facebook etc. It's changing times and that leaves me little choice- adapt.
But as we adapt and grow I find it hard to leave behind the guys who've stuck around. We're talking relationships that are over a decade long. These guys waiting the 6 years I was gone and still answered the call when I came back after ghosting on them mid-plans. They have earned my respect. DT, Kanyon, Goldy, Scorps, and Price have all had their turns of carrying the XHF on their backs because I was a much worse owner than I am now. Without them none of this would be here. Rob, too, came back after retirement, like serious retirement from fedding and got so active again he helped the fledgling AXW take off. I owe a ton of respect to Kuroi because he got cyber-bullied his entire run in the XHF and still came back and is this totally different guy and runs a great fed (AWF). Even MGK came back after some stuff that he can tell you about. All these people came before a lot of you and I think it's easy to write them off for their activity now vs then. But they earned it bros. If you are still here in 10 years and you're not that active in rping (but still do rp sometimes and even write whole shows) then you've got a boatload of respect from me. You've earned it.
At the same time though, the Network has largely grown through the contributions of all of our "new" people. I mean, new isn't the right word since a good bunch of you have been here over a year. "Network Era" members, there we go. It is the Network because you came here to hang out and and rp and write and have built this up. That's almost all you guys. And I want to be close with each and every one of you guys, because you're the future of all this. This is your kingdom just as much as anyone else.
So what started with an AXW/AWF issue mushroomed into a XHF/Network era issue, from what I see. Rob and Price came in firmly behind AXW and have been notably aggressive at times about it. From their standpoint that's fine because during the XHF days we didn't really beat around the bush- guys were direct and harsh and mean. You've probably seen almost every old guy curse at me, it's just the way we roll. We punch then go play together. Usually it was fine- sometimes it was not ok, like with the horrible way we treated Kuroi, basically because he was a hot-head and it was fun to get a rise out of him. But you can see that Scorps and Kuroi have handled their issues (unrelated to the old cyber-bullying, that was other guys) by just avoiding each other- even on the discord; because they have stuff that isn't quickly resolved and have agreed to disagree and move on.
Without considering that there were these issues with especially Price and Rob and the AWF guys, they were modded/admined on the discord because they've proven trustworthy for being around over a decade. Again, the mindset had been that the discord was a side-thing where folks could hang out. Is it an "old boys club?" Sure. But everyone is welcome to become a member of that club. The old guard have been in place because they were around when the Network launched and they earned their trust through XHF-era adminning (well mostly).
But times have changed. The old style doesn't really jive well with everyone and we want to be inclusive. "Take it off the board" doesn't quite work because people can just take it to the discord and vent there- which gets them in trouble because the discord staff still think like old XHF admins and don't want public trouble. We used to hash stuff out in private, or take some time off and just focus on rping instead of socializing. But this is 2019 and that's sort of impossible to ask, lol.
So change is needed, and change is good. But how we change and the speed at which we do so needs to be considered. The discord admins have been under immense pressure to make changes but the changes amount to "you guys stop being in charge and let some of us do it." That's a selfish order that doesn't take into account how much they've given for this. You can talk about what you're doing now and it's real impressive. But without their efforts there wouldn't be a now here. At the same time, without you now- there wouldn't be a now either. So what we need is to calm down and discuss some soft changes.
I don't want to be in charge of the discord, honestly. The board is enough work for me (for those who don't know I'm hiding this from my wife and she's getting suspicious) and I still think the discord should be considered a fun bonus. That's me, and that's an old-world stance I guess. Even if we went full official and eliminated the current discord and used the new one with me on top it'd be boring; because my goal would be to aim people back to the board. Wrestling discussion? We've got it on the board. Efed discussion? We've got it on the board. That's why the current discord is set up the way it is- it's the bar across the street run by old XHFers because if I owned the bar I'd tell you to get back to work.
That's on me, but I'm trying to establish that we've got different ideologies playing into all of this. I'm passing the buck, so to speak, because for me the board is always the priority. Discord is something extra you can take or leave (which a lot of board members don't use and that's fine, even DT stays off discord). I compartmentalize, and I have them in different slots- and considering how stuff goes sometimes on the discord I'd like to keep them separate. The discord is intended inherently to have more freedom- but some people handle freedom differently than others.
Drago, I'm sorry I instabanned you. It was a security response to somebody using a guest account to spam a serious thread. You explained your situation and apologized and I hope we can move on from there.
I've said to folks who've complained to me that I listen to everything. I do. I listen, I consider, and I have a reputation for shooting things down. These days I've tried to consider more and shoot down less; but now I'm starting to think I should have stuck with shooting things down because honestly that's about as effective it seems, lol. But I listen to everything, carefully, considerately.
And so I'm stuck in the middle, on the opposite side of the world, in private with nobody irl to talk to and having a really hard couple irl years too. I'm doing my best, just like I'm sure most of us are. And I just want folks to calm down and be reasonable because there's right and wrong on every side and all my friends online are fighting.
We write fan-fiction for a fake sport. I don't know why that keeps turning into heated emotional exchanges. Like is the Sonic fan art community toxic? Ok, it probably is. But efedders shouldn't have that much pride; we like writing about dudes touching each other in a fake sport. Chill out, please. We can grow and adapt, but let's try to do it together. I have a great passion for efedding and the Network format was designed to keep us all together, a one-stop shop all on one board where we can come and play this silly game together. And if a fed shuts down? We move to another fed with our friends or make new ones still on the board.
So, as we adventure forth and try to hash this out, let's try to keep cool heads and understand each side. Choose our words carefully, as most of us are jacked up on pride and misplaced hormones and everyone, everyone deserves respect.
That's coming from my side anyway.
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Post by Drago on Sept 29, 2019 2:21:05 GMT -5
Drago, I'm sorry I instabanned you. It was a security response to somebody using a guest account to spam a serious thread. You explained your situation, whether I completely believe it or not you apologized and I hope we can move on from there. I've said to folks who've complained to me that I listen to everything. I do. I listen, I consider, and I have a reputation for shooting things down. These days I've tried to consider more and shoot down less; but now I'm starting to think I should have stuck with shooting things down because honestly that's about as effective it seems, lol. But I listen to everything, carefully, considerately. And so I'm stuck in the middle, on the opposite side of the world, in private with nobody irl to talk to and having a really hard couple irl years too. I'm doing my best, just like I'm sure most of us are. And I just want folks to calm down and be reasonable because there's right and wrong on every side and all my friends online are fighting. We write fan-fiction for a fake sport. I don't know why that keeps turning into heated emotional exchanges. Like is the Sonic fan art community toxic? Ok, it probably is. But efedders shouldn't have that much pride; we like writing about dudes touching each other in a fake sport. Chill out, please. We can grow and adapt, but let's try to do it together. I have a great passion for efedding and the Network format was designed to keep us all together, a one-stop shop all on one board where we can come and play this silly game together. And if a fed shuts down? We move to another fed with our friends or make new ones still on the board. So, as we adventure forth and try to hash this out, let's try to keep cool heads and understand each side. Choose our words carefully, as most of us are jacked up on pride and misplaced hormones and everyone, everyone deserves respect. That's coming from my side anyway. I joined in February and I have 250 posts and am one of the most frequent posters on the discord. I feel kinda obligated to not be chill because while I get the consequences of my actions when I fuck up, losing alllllll of the shit I've done here and all my future planning over a joke is frustrating. The prospect is frustrating. I'm amenable to behaving better. I also don't ever want to be asked to do the slightest favor or anything because I don't want to aide an environment where a video gets someone banned, but dragging members frequently and openly in voice isn't regarded. I've been going through some stuff IRL and I talked about it here. Wasn't coping well at all recently, looking for other outlets IRL to stop projecting it here. But let's not move on from there. That's cold. I've got no trust in you or the administration anymore.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 2:24:47 GMT -5
Right I dont know what happened in the time I was sleeping, but I best get a few thoughts on what I saw.
The AWF/AXW thing was always playful banter about top fed bragging rights IC. So indont appreciate being brought into it and tarred with a brush. I'm barely on the discord and the last one I was involved in wasn't fed wars at all. Do i 100% agree with how every fed operates? Of course not and that's why I doing join them all (obviously that doesnt mean I have issues with every fed I'm not in)
But as it's out and knowledge now and not squirrelled away into a hidden thread, the second discord server wasnt needed. Especially when it seems like the argument that set it all off hasnt been resolved by it (the politics room). There has been a splinter created now...or there will be (seth said it himself and he was caught up in the politics argument) and it accomplishes nothing.
I'm going to go against the grain and say slowmode isnt the worst idea. It shows the chat down, forces the hot heads (whomever they are at the time) to take breaks between messages. I think 80% of arguments can be sorted out by the people taking time out and coming back level headed. Granted 6 hours was a little extreme lol.
But all in all, a lot of us are older guys. Jobs, kids, the wife. Arguments arent what we want to see first thing in a morning or after a long shift. So when Robbie, Scorps or the like have to use their free time sorting out an argument every day which shouldn't have happened, then that's not fair on them and I can back them being blunt.
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Sept 29, 2019 2:35:06 GMT -5
I joined in February and I have 250 posts and am one of the most frequent posters on the discord. I feel kinda obligated to not be chill because while I get the consequences of my actions when I fuck up, losing alllllll of the shit I've done here and all my future planning over a joke is frustrating. The prospect is frustrating. I'm amenable to behaving better. I also don't ever want to be asked to do the slightest favor or anything because I don't want to aide an environment where a video gets someone banned, but dragging members frequently and openly in voice isn't regarded. I've been going through some stuff IRL and I talked about it here. Wasn't coping well at all recently, looking for other outlets IRL to stop projecting it here. But let's not move on from there. That's cold. I've got no trust in you or the administration anymore. Go ahead and be angry, disappointed in, upset, distrusting of etc with me. I made a snap decision in a rather heated moment and considering that your record up until then has been spotless on the board- I was out of line. The other administrators on the board, DT and Kanyon; had nothing to do with it so don't rope them in with me. I think DT thinks I've been going crazy the last few days and he might not be wrong- and the discord admins didn't even really like that I banned you there over a board issue. So it's on me, and I apologize. You don't need to forgive me now or even trust or like me now- but I hope that I can rebuild our relationship in the future.
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Post by jamesmueller on Sept 29, 2019 2:40:27 GMT -5
I joined in February and I have 250 posts and am one of the most frequent posters on the discord. I feel kinda obligated to not be chill because while I get the consequences of my actions when I fuck up, losing alllllll of the shit I've done here and all my future planning over a joke is frustrating. The prospect is frustrating. I'm amenable to behaving better. I also don't ever want to be asked to do the slightest favor or anything because I don't want to aide an environment where a video gets someone banned, but dragging members frequently and openly in voice isn't regarded. I've been going through some stuff IRL and I talked about it here. Wasn't coping well at all recently, looking for other outlets IRL to stop projecting it here. But let's not move on from there. That's cold. I've got no trust in you or the administration anymore. Go ahead and be angry, disappointed in, upset, distrusting of etc with me. I made a snap decision in a rather heated moment and considering that your record up until then has been spotless on the board- I was out of line. The other administrators on the board, DT and Kanyon; had nothing to do with it so don't rope them in with me. I think DT thinks I've been going crazy the last few days and he might not be wrong- and the discord admins didn't even really like that I banned you there over a board issue. So it's on me, and I apologize. You don't need to forgive me now or even trust or like me now- but I hope that I can rebuild our relationship in the future. It's true, we weren't fans and we let Mongo know about it. Also we only have slow mode on in one channel at the moment and it's the #xhf-events channel, which isnt there for discussion but for sharing events. There's literally a discussion channel right below it and guess what e'erybpdy, it isn't in slowmode.
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Post by Drago on Sept 29, 2019 2:49:00 GMT -5
I joined in February and I have 250 posts and am one of the most frequent posters on the discord. I feel kinda obligated to not be chill because while I get the consequences of my actions when I fuck up, losing alllllll of the shit I've done here and all my future planning over a joke is frustrating. The prospect is frustrating. I'm amenable to behaving better. I also don't ever want to be asked to do the slightest favor or anything because I don't want to aide an environment where a video gets someone banned, but dragging members frequently and openly in voice isn't regarded. I've been going through some stuff IRL and I talked about it here. Wasn't coping well at all recently, looking for other outlets IRL to stop projecting it here. But let's not move on from there. That's cold. I've got no trust in you or the administration anymore. Go ahead and be angry, disappointed in, upset, distrusting of etc with me. I made a snap decision in a rather heated moment and considering that your record up until then has been spotless on the board- I was out of line. The other administrators on the board, DT and Kanyon; had nothing to do with it so don't rope them in with me. I think DT thinks I've been going crazy the last few days and he might not be wrong- and the discord admins didn't even really like that I banned you there over a board issue. So it's on me, and I apologize. You don't need to forgive me now or even trust or like me now- but I hope that I can rebuild our relationship in the future. Fine. I don’t trust you. 👇🏾
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Post by Robbie A on Sept 29, 2019 5:31:34 GMT -5
So I’m not going to go into this in great, great detail. Because let’s be honest here the list of points made against me are longer than Scorps penis (which is freaking huge yo).
I want to start by commenting about this whole thing that I constantly whale on the AWF. I’m pretty sure I’ve addressed it before but hey let’s go again. I don’t hate the AWF, this concept that I’m constantly having a go at them is way overhyped. Have I had questions? Have a criticised? Yes I have because I have opinions or I’ve had concerns raised and looked into it for myself. That’s part of e fedding. Have I also through a few eff AWFs into my rping etc? Yeah but that was character based. That said, I don’t have an issue. This feels entirely based around my AWF in number one shot comment. As I’ve said before, I woke up one morning, was doing my morning business and I thought, genuinely “you know what will be funny?” And I asked the question if AWF gets all the new talent because they’re at number one. Why did I do this? Part one because I saw Caff going way over the top about how great it was to have alllllll these new joiners etc for fired up, and part two I thought nobody is gonna see this as me messing around. The madness is Caff took the bait, which was crazy because I thought it was so obvious it wasn’t serious, and then he proceeded to insult me about it in an rp (speaking of double standards that a few have been so quick to harp on about), but then on the board saying that was asinine. Ironically the first response to my stupid question was Ryan actually admitting that was a big factor in why he joined. For clarity though, I do t believe this, it was a joke, AWF does really good things in promoting themselves and I actually know that.
Moving along. Admin roles. Didn’t want them but didn’t say no to them because hey I’m actually happy to help out. I was very hands off, yes, I was still winding people up, yes. Here’s the thing and I’m not trying to make it too personal because we all have life stuff which can swing short term moods. But I have to deal with pettiness in my day job that makes all this look tame. I come home and you know what? I wanna dick around a bit, have a laugh and a joke and push the envelope occasionally. I try and surround my downtime with that feeling and environment because if I didn’t I’d probably need to see a doctor for depression. Anyway, following one of what seems to be a regular explosion on discord. I was asked to take it more seriously, being an admin. So I did. I made decisions and tried to keep things a bit more aligned without being an iron fist because there’s gotta be some push and pull around here. That, apparently was not good enough. When I was asked about reinstating the politics board I said no and gave a reason. That wasn’t good enough. I went for a walk whilst on my holiday, my one week a year designed to chill me out and actually stop for a week by the way. I come back and the “no politics, pack it in” was ignored by an individual and then jumped on by a second. Another admin backed me up before I had chance to act and then we had another explosion. Madness here is I would have put people in jail or muted them in the same way because I’ve been asked to put a foot down but if it’s not the foot you want then it’s complained about. That’s not air, that’s not how this is meant to work. People here going on about double standards? Take a look in the mirror because that right there is it.
That leads into two things. The new discord which I found so disrespectful. That was a big middle finger to all the admins after the work we put in to actually try and make things better, but hey if it’s our feelings nobody cares about those right? The second thing is last night.
Last night I am freely going to admit I got very drunk hosting a radio chat, nothing I wouldn’t do normally, but as we discussed, quite open and honestly the stuff that was going on here, it rattled me up because hey, alcohol. So I went a bit old school Robbie and got the claws out and that’s not cool. Did I mean what I said, some of it, do I regret it, not overly. Was I wrong to do it? Absolutely. Like a bottle of fizz shaken for two weeks the cork was gonna pop eventuality but I shoulda managed it differently.
That’s the point though. I’ve taken a load of shots that actually I do not believe I deserved (that sounds familiar but I’ll come on to that). And I’ve let loose about it poorly. For that, I apologise. However it doesn’t matter because I’m no longer an admin I see, which actually doesn’t solve the issues here but whatever. As I said, didn’t want it, haven’t enjoyed it, no longer. Sad, because I actually give a toss here.
Finally let’s move this on individually.
Seth, I did you dirty last night, but I think you did me as well, and first. You told me you didn’t want to split the board, and then you ran to the new discord. However you wanna dress that up that’s not cool. You’re point essentially boiled down to I don’t wanna split the board but whilst you and a few others are in charge I’ll do it anyway. You won’t convince me otherwise I’m that. People are pissed though, and me reading a chunk of our DMs was partly to give those people the education as to what’s happened here.
Caff, I won’t sugar coat this, I find you a very unpleasant person. Your behaviour on here is quite disturbing and the fact that you appear to run your mouth until you get your way is quite scary. People see it, people feel it, and that’s why people go against you. You’re the annoying little brother who gets in our faces but doesn’t touch anybody, then when somebody tells you to go away or throw you out of their room you go crying to mum. More disturbing is you don’t recognise that, or if you do then kudos and well played. I won’t apologise to you after all this because you’ve shown me no decency. All the things you’ve accused about attitudes to you you’ve done to all of us. I can’t be on board with that. Ironically you love throwing around that I’m toxic but take away the bravado I have and speak to me like a human being and I’m anything but. Go ask 95% plus of the members here that have directly interacted with me.
Mongo, I tried man, I did. So I apologise to you because you asked me to try and I failed. Not because I didn’t want to, but because I couldn’t in good heart say nothing. It’s come to a point where people could say something as innocuous as “hey I like a door that opens inwards” I would reply “fair enough but I prefer outwards” and I would be eaten alive for it and asked to be de-adminned. It’s madness.
As I tried saying the other day, we are all human beings, even me. Think a couple of you have forgotten that. What came out last night was genuine upset. But hey, it’s me, I’m the devil.
Robbie out.
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Sept 29, 2019 8:36:02 GMT -5
I’m not really going to have a discussion with you when you still are incredibly unpleasant towards me.
No thanks.
I’m still in jail, by the way, for anyone who cares.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 8:45:01 GMT -5
I’m not really going to have a discussion with you when you still are incredibly unpleasant towards me. No thanks. I’m still in jail, by the way, for anyone who cares. This is what you've wanted for a while now. To talk and get things worked on. It's not a discussion with anyone in particular so I suggest you use the chance rather than throw it away.
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Post by anthonycaffrey on Sept 29, 2019 8:51:27 GMT -5
I’m not really going to have a discussion with you when you still are incredibly unpleasant towards me. No thanks. I’m still in jail, by the way, for anyone who cares. This is what you've wanted for a while now. To talk and get things worked on. It's not a discussion with anyone in particular so I suggest you use the chance rather than throw it away. I think people forget that I have feelings. I got ass blasted last night, thrown in jail for little to no reason by an admin staff protecting one of their own, and then this morning after being told repeatedly it would be a until morning thing, am still in jail, which seems incredibly spiteful. I’m a young guy. I’m 23. I’m not going to just take this. I don’t know why the expectation is that I’m going to come to the table and fold my hands and just take more abuse. I am trying my damndest but no, I won’t just take it. When I’m let out I will have more to say.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 9:06:32 GMT -5
This is what you've wanted for a while now. To talk and get things worked on. It's not a discussion with anyone in particular so I suggest you use the chance rather than throw it away. I think people forget that I have feelings. I got ass blasted last night, thrown in jail for little to no reason by an admin staff protecting one of their own, and then this morning after being told repeatedly it would be a until morning thing, am still in jail, which seems incredibly spiteful. I’m a young guy. I’m 23. I’m not going to just take this. I don’t know why the expectation is that I’m going to come to the table and fold my hands and just take more abuse. I am trying my damndest but no, I won’t just take it. When I’m let out I will have more to say. All I'm saying is if you miss the window on this discussion, I dont see there being another one for a long time.
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Post by Robbie A on Sept 29, 2019 9:09:25 GMT -5
I’m not really going to have a discussion with you when you still are incredibly unpleasant towards me. No thanks. I’m still in jail, by the way, for anyone who cares. This is the issue I’ve just said. You avoid the issue when pressured. I’m not going to suddenly give you a big hug, let’s be honest and you’ve gone in pretty hard on me last night and on here. You can’t keep having this both ways.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 9:13:26 GMT -5
I’m not really going to have a discussion with you when you still are incredibly unpleasant towards me. No thanks. I’m still in jail, by the way, for anyone who cares. This is the issue I’ve just said. You avoid the issue when pressured. I’m not going to suddenly give you a big hug, let’s be honest and you’ve gone in pretty hard on me last night and on here. You can’t keep having this both ways. This is the thing. Issues aside, it needs sorting out. The new server seems to only be for a few people because the rest of us are getting the boot, so we need to do what we need to and sort this one out. Folding your arms and sticking out your bottom lip then complaining when the stuff you want doesnt get addressed isnt how you do things.
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