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Post by ForeverKuroi on Sept 29, 2019 13:43:23 GMT -5
While I am here, I think it's clear that the XHF Radio Chat needs to have a mod or an admin on it during all discussions, or it can't be used. It's too many times become the place where a bitchfest about users occurs, and people say whatever they want because there is no record of it. It's straight up a toxic breeding ground for all sides at this point. I don't think this is a reasonable idea. I think we can trust the honor system in that if someone steps out of line and there's someone as a neutral party who can confirm this that we can deal with it then.
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Post by Drag on Sept 29, 2019 13:55:08 GMT -5
While I am here, I think it's clear that the XHF Radio Chat needs to have a mod or an admin on it during all discussions, or it can't be used. It's too many times become the place where a bitchfest about users occurs, and people say whatever they want because there is no record of it. It's straight up a toxic breeding ground for all sides at this point. I don't think this is a reasonable idea. I think we can trust the honor system in that if someone steps out of line and there's someone as a neutral party who can confirm this that we can deal with it then. Agreed, I think if we were to continue more on the lines we are currently with a civil forum in which people can air out and settle their disputes or at the very least get them out in the open the problem of any private bitching in the radio chat won't really factor in anymore, or at the very least it won't fester into a genuine issue like it has now
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Post by ForeverKuroi on Sept 29, 2019 13:58:06 GMT -5
Okay, I'm not sure where this came from, no clue... So since it appears that the senses is that I am some bigoted, racist piece of shit that does nothing but plagiarize everyone's stuff I will do you all a favor and leave the Network. Since that's what will be best for the XHF Network, as Caffrey will let everyone he speaks to know anyway my reputation will only harm the network. Thanks Guys. We are still discussing Caffrey, and we aren't calling you racist. Just some of the things you do are coming out like that. You posted the comment about Narcan on Discord and Homosexuality on FB, but all we are trying to do is standardize a level of decency.
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Post by Drago on Sept 29, 2019 14:17:48 GMT -5
Okay, I'm not sure where this came from, no clue... So since it appears that the senses is that I am some bigoted, racist piece of shit that does nothing but plagiarize everyone's stuff I will do you all a favor and leave the Network. Since that's what will be best for the XHF Network, as Caffrey will let everyone he speaks to know anyway my reputation will only harm the network. Thanks Guys. If you are unable to accept any feedback on criticism on how your hyperbolic, inaccurate portrayals of groups of people that exist on the network is harmful, then /shrug. There's shit I don't RP because it isn't within my grasp. The bit about narcan came from something you directly said in chat.
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Post by Kira Izumi on Sept 29, 2019 15:00:47 GMT -5
i'm finally caught up on this dang thing, whew! i probably have forgotten a good bit of things said here, but there's also allot i want to say and get out as well. and i know i'm probably gonna miss allot of things while typing this out as well, but oh well.
First i'd like to just politely remind everyone mongo said no cursing or insults and for the most part we've followed that. For some of us who are starting to get hot headded and heated up i'd suggest lets just take a break and chill before continuing on please and thank you. This isn't meant as a slight or me trying to be a dick or anything, i'm trying to make sure we stay civil and productive like we have been for the most part.
Anyways onto the actual greivences and whatnot. Mongo i'd like to say and let you know i've never had a problem with you and if it ever seemed like it or anything than i'm sorry for that. most times i'm just joking with you and everyone really. that's why i use discord, to talk to you guys, which really are the main people i talk to despite how sad that probably sounds it's true. i just want to hang out with you guys, talk about our fantasy wrestling places and share shitty, most of the time unfunny, sometimes dark and possibly not appropriate memes with you all too.
But one thing... this new "offcial xhf discord" server, if i'm brutally honest it makes me feel very disrespected. it makes me feel like it disrespects everyone who had anything to do with and everyone who ever ran or modded/admined the one we all use also. It also makes me feel like it's disrespecting destiny wrestling as well, who has their history on the og discord server. It feels like you just crapped all over that one and everyone in it if i'm honest. I know it's most likely meant well and has good intentions, and i can respect that in a way. But it makes me feel like it's going to further split everyone apart. And honestly no one wants that. I know the mods and you mongo don't want that. But this trying to be everyones friend thing and this whole trying to make everyone happy thing isn't working for anyone. i'm sorry but those are my honest to god thoughts on that matter.
Caffery, i don't know how you think about me, but i don't hate you or anything. i don't hate any of you. well i hate that nova guy from years ago because he was a piece of trash and is gone now anyways. Anyway, and i'm not trying to be rude or mean or hateful or anything like that when i say this, but anytime someone gets into an argument with you it seems like you put up a shield and go into some kind of defense mode. just blocking and deflecting questions and answers and things. and again not trying to be rude or mean or nothing, just calling it how i see it as someone looking into these things most times. I will also say people continuing it on, myself included at times, don't help the issues or problems that arise. We all are at fault for keeping things going and not taking our own advice on leaving things alone and going away for a bit.
Also a thing i've seen and noticed at times you make things about yourself, if that makes sense. even if they aren't about you originally. which i guess you kinda assume something is about you, since getting in previous arguments with people and knowing you've ruffled some folks feathers. and again, not just trying to tell you how i see it since we're all letting everything out here and in this thread.
Also i just want to put this out there that despite what some people may say or think and despite how much it's changed, i'll always have a spot in my efedding weeby heart for the AWF. they were the reason i ever came here and without them i'd probably be on weird gross twitter feds or just not efedding at all. which would make me very sad. But also, i just want to say... i respect you kuroi, i respect caffery, teeps and seth for helping you run and keep that place running, but it got to a point there where i felt it would be best for me to leave and that it'd help both parties for us to get time apart. Bringing this to the point of this whole thing and possible arguments and causes of this thread as a whole, i don't think there's this whole us vs them thing, and i mean if there is there dang sure shouldn't be.
Also speaking about the AWF, i do think them being number one and at the top of the boards did help in them getting SOME members. not ALL but most definitely some. I'm not trying to slight your efforts on reddit or anything like that or your recruiting efforts, but honestly people are lazy and will go to the first thing they see. It's what some people do.
Also Duke, i know you probably mean well man. And i'd like to consider us friends and everything, but making a team where all they do and their whole gimmick is just smoking weed. Making said people black with dreads or whatever. it doesn't look good at all. Even if you meant well it just doesn't look well at all. Making a southern character who's name and gimmick was being a "sister f*cker" and being incestuous, that's not a good look if i'm to be honest. And i'm telling you this because i care and want to make sure you know, you know? making characters that are nothing but stereotypes of people and places and whatnot, it just doesn't look good at all. So maybe before you're like "yeah, this is a good idea for a character" maybe take another look at it, maybe ask someone else about it before posting it. Heck if you need to ask me about it and i'll try and help you if you want. and i'm not trying to be mean or rude or anything, just trying to help.
another thing i've seen is this "we need mods to actually mod and admin on discord" thing, yet when they do exactly that it seems like the same people just complain about the mods doing what those people wanted them to do, which is mod/admin. i don't understand this at all and honestly it's annoying and frustrating to see. It's a dam if you do dam if you don't situation the mods and admins have been put into and honestly it doesn't seem very fair to them or us.
another sorta side note, i do like this thread being an idea and thing and feel so far it's helped us out and is helping, if only a little. i'm not sure what else to say here right now so i'm ending this rant/post thing. and again i don't mean no harm by any of this, i want to try and help as much and good as i can with this. If i ever bothered anyone or made anyone upset or anything i appologize also. and i truly do mean that. i hope we can all be good ole pals again and go back to before all this bull crap kicked off. thanks for reading, play P.S. I Love You and We Can Work It Out By The Beatles, those are my songs dedicated to you, the XHF Network. Love you all and i sincerely hope we can all be cool again.
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Post by IMMORTALS on Sept 29, 2019 15:23:31 GMT -5
I'm not against people trying out new characters and gimmicks, but to echo what was said above about stereotyping and targeting minorities as your source of inspiration...that's a very grey line.
I'm not black, I'm not female, I'm not a Latin criminal, I'm not a southern American but I can see exactly where some of Duke's characters have gotten to that line and we're just waiting to see if he crosses it. Hell, I was the first person to pipe up when he made those Irish girls in SSS. Not to say 'hey you can't do that', but more 'hey if you're going to do that try to be respectful and accurate with their portrayal'.
I see a big pattern above and it's essentially that Real Life/ E-Fed Life have mingled so much for some people they are losing grasp of why we all come here... To talk about fictional greased up wrestlers and their imaginary world's. I like this place for story telling and inspiration for my own stories. Other than that letting things get heated over 'whos the top fed' or 'you should/ shouldn't let character x do this' dampens our creative flow, and hurts our overall goal- fun. Yeah that's right, we come her for fun. Remember when it was fun?
The rules of the board are not XHF exclusive, they are real world rules- be nice, play nice, respect each other, don't be ignorant, don't be racist/ sexist, and don't take things too seriously. I missed all the Discord drama and I'm glad I did, because it doesn't sound like anyone had a good time. I'm just happy the mods are doing a great job in trying to resolve this.
I've efedded for many years, and coming up to my two year anniversary with the XHF. I love it here, I enjoy all the ups and downs of a growing brand. People will be people, can't stop that but before you pick a character you know you won't be able to portray properly, before you decide to get hot and heated over a decision made outside your realm, before you copy/paste somebody else's hard work, before you get drunk and shout at others or type blast the Discord (that's me FYI), just have a little pause and a deep breath and ask yourself...is this right. Cos if you know it isn't, then don't do it.
I remember a story about a man who climbed a mountain, spoke to the heavens and got the basic guidelines of what it takes to be a good person and wrote those into stone. Those ten guidelines were all he needed to share good vibes with the people and get everyone following a simple code. He was a good man, he was a great man. That man was King Hyperion and he just wants to have fun. Times ten.
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Post by Venom 🕷 on Sept 29, 2019 16:56:20 GMT -5
Thanks Hype and Kira.
I have one note, and I forgot who mentioned it. The European Title going to the AWF or to MCCW doesn’t depend on who wins. It’s not the title holders decision it is the board admins decision. This isn’t a dead feds title it’s a XHF Title and the XHF still exists. If I won I couldn’t just run to MCCW or AWF with the title unless Mongo and the board admins said I could. The same goes for Hype, Dread and Swann if he shows up. So thinking that’s a slight on your Fed isn’t the case, and from what I’ve heard they’ve already decided that this is the last stand for the Euro title, for now at least.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 17:12:49 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of this. I always hoped that the Euro title could have been a nice bit of legacy left from AXW. Granted it's not our title, I appreciate that but it would have been the only active title that could have continued.
I get that they dont want too many XHF titles in circulation, but if I were competing for a title that would effectively be stripped from me right after the match, it wouldnt bring out my best. Obviously we respect the decision, but it is what it is right?
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Post by Venom 🕷 on Sept 29, 2019 17:20:06 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of this. I always hoped that the Euro title could have been a nice bit of legacy left from AXW. Granted it's not our title, I appreciate that but it would have been the only active title that could have continued. I get that they dont want too many XHF titles in circulation, but if I were competing for a title that would effectively be stripped from me right after the match, it wouldnt bring out my best. Obviously we respect the decision, but it is what it is right? You’re still the last ever champion and can sling it around in future promos elsewhere. Just can’t take it and defend it.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 17:21:42 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of this. I always hoped that the Euro title could have been a nice bit of legacy left from AXW. Granted it's not our title, I appreciate that but it would have been the only active title that could have continued. I get that they dont want too many XHF titles in circulation, but if I were competing for a title that would effectively be stripped from me right after the match, it wouldnt bring out my best. Obviously we respect the decision, but it is what it is right? You’re still the last ever champion and can sling it around in future promos elsewhere. Just can’t take it and defend it. Yeah I get that. I just feel like it wouldn't bring out my best work and I worry that the guys might feel the same. I mean I'm not going to kick a fuss up about it, just agreeing to disagree right?
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Sept 29, 2019 17:30:51 GMT -5
Sidenote we haven't fully decided on what to do with the belt. My thoughts were AWF already has an XHF title as does SSS and those belts were given as a reward for feds that did well and represented themselves well.
I was under the impression Scorpion would retire it and we'd respect that. Otherwise AWF really doesn't need another belt especially when that would mean they have as many xhf belts as their own and that makes the awf seem like it needs help when it clearly doesn't.
Randy Mongo and I are still discussing what happens after the last show.
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 29, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -5
Sidenote we haven't fully decided on what to do with the belt. My thoughts were AWF already has an XHF title as does SSS and those belts were given as a reward for feds that did well and represented themselves well. I was under the impression Scorpion would retire it and we'd respect that. Otherwise AWF really doesn't need another belt especially when that would mean they have as many xhf belts as their own and that makes the awf seem like it needs help when it clearly doesn't. Randy Mongo and I are still discussing what happens after the last show. That was kind of the impression I had. I'd love to see it move on and tend to agree that more than one XHF title per fed could be overkill. If you come to a decision before our show, could you drop me a line? I'd love to try to include it somehow, whichever way it falls. I'm sure even if the belt disappears we can think of a fun way to do it.
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Post by Dave D-Flipz on Sept 29, 2019 18:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Sept 29, 2019 18:48:17 GMT -5
Yeah,I'll keep you in the loop Bobby.
The admins had come to the official stance that AWF didn't need a 2nd XHF belt because being at the top of the board and having 2 XHF belts would give the impression to a newcomer that we only support AWF, as they wouldn't know from a glance that Stormcrow won it for them in a dying fed.
We were asked by multiple parties about letting Van take the title to MCCW if he won (sorry if that's a spoiler). We approved the request for that specific condition.
The timing of the decision came right as other issues with AWF came up, not because of them. But more on that in a bit, my commute is over
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Post by Mongo the Destroyer on Sept 29, 2019 19:54:16 GMT -5
Let's go back over this because apparently more than just you is still upset over it:Right now, if someone came to you and said I had 30 guys who wanted to join XHF, based on all of the drama going around right now, would you tell them to come in, or would you tell them hey that you didn't think it was a good decision at that time? I think if you're a man of the moral character I believe you to be, you'd say yeah, not right now, it's kinda toxic, stay away. I was approached by BronsamBonsai, an e/feds reddit user, and asked my opinion on your potential merger. Bonsai and I have become friends because we survived all of that drama, and we have grown to respect each other as users. He asked me what I thought about you and your company, and morally, I sat there and argued with myself for at least a day before deciding to tell him about: 1) Your long, long history of plagarizing, which has since continued since we even had this conversation, when you plagarized someone's top ten list on the Reddit and didn't even take take the name "Trinity Wrestling" off of it. As much as I have problems and arguments with people, I can not get on board with that. You received a lifetime ban from AXW that was only lifted because of the last show, because you did it so often and got caught. That is NOT what I want people to think of when they think of the XHF. That is also why I called you out in public when you did that. We are being held to the highest standard in the e/feds Reddit world because we are the #1, the New York Yankees, and the rest of the community even to this day still begrudgingly hates us/downvotes us a bit. Anytime any of us missteps, as happened with vasty (sorry vasty), we are labeled as all of us being whatever the crime was. If this thread were out in public right now, we would all be judged as toxic dickheads and no one would want to be here. Your history of plagarism is something I can not endorse. I wanted to get this up top because it shows some of the consistency issues people have brought up. For those who haven't notice, AWF was lowered a slot. The reason is because I care about what people see on the board- the board is the first thing a new person sees and it's where the real official business is supposed to happen. In one of the feds that is currently not on the discord, there was some discussion of joining another discord- one that advertised other feds. At that point I chimed in that they should check out the Network's discord. Again, this is a fed not involved in any of the issues: an AWF admin then decided to come in with a snide, passive-aggressive comment about the need for an official discord. From what I've seen, nobody from that fed has joined our discord. Not blaming that AWF admin, just saying that it didn't help and it was out of line to bring off-board issues to people untouched by it; that's like an anti-advertisement. So I filed a formal complaint with Kuroi over his administrator and said that said admin represented the fed and needed to be managed better or there'd be repercussions. I like giving lots of chances but there's been a strong push- largely from AWF admins for there to be more accountability. Ok, so I said I'd lower the AWF a slot if they couldn't get the troublesome admin in line in public areas. Said admin then decided to vent his frustrations/defend himself- about this matter I had kept private- in the shoutbox. Again bringing up the fed that had nothing to do with any of the base issues. So I enacted the repercussions. The response I got was 1. That I was passing the buck and 2. that it was a personal problem with the admin, not the fed's problem. But here we have an AWF admin saying that Duke's actions represent the XHF Network as a whole. This would agree with my decisions and feelings about lowering AWF's slot due to poor admin control, as it reflected badly on the fed- which in turn reflected badly on the Network where it was the top slot. Likewise, when Rob was out of line the discord admins de-admined him and even muted him because he was out of line. He had made a public spectacle and it was dealt with by the other staffers. I was the one who kept saying to people, "If you push for stronger regulation it will come back on you" and that's what ended up happening- yet the response was that it wasn't their problem. I could have temp banned that admin- probably 2 weeks for making a fuss in public when formally asked to stop doing that. But I felt that lowering the AWF's slot was a better slap on the wrist because it'd be less damaging than losing an admin for a show. I want it to be known that throughout all of this, Kuroi has been an absolute gentleman. That's a reflection on his ability as an owner and a good reflection on the fed (AWF) he represents. But yeah, that's the story. And Caff is right about us all representing the Network, and many of us represent our feds. What we do in public gets seen by outsiders and new people and that's why I'm leery of problems on the board and am very sensitive to it. I don't agree that it's wise to anti-advertise because telling people not to come sticks. A guy can come, see there's problems, leave, and come back later. But if a fed admin says "don't come here" then that's gonna stick. If a person doesn't like it here, they're more than ok to leave or take a break. But let them make that decision, we shouldn't push or suggest or force anyone out when the whole goal of the Network is to put fedding under one roof.
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